Cichlid Fish Forum banner
41 - 60 of 60 Posts
Discussion starter · #42 ·
Is it possible now to recognise the variant?
I'm still confused furcifer or foai? Or furcifer/foai Magara?Or Nyanza? Or something from the north part of the lake? :-?

Image
 
They also look like Rutunga variety that is in between Magara and Kigoma and across the lake from Caramba.

Googled pics and they are extremely hard to tell apart from the Caramba

Your fish are looking very good and happy by the way.

On your ? of female behavior,my wild Kigoma females are usually calm but do not really school together.When one of the females gets close to breeding she will get a little territorial.
 
Discussion starter · #48 ·
dmiller328 said:
They also look like Rutunga variety that is in between Magara and Kigoma and across the lake from Caramba.

Googled pics and they are extremely hard to tell apart from the Caramba

Your fish are looking very good and happy by the way.

On your ? of female behavior,my wild Kigoma females are usually calm but do not really school together.When one of the females gets close to breeding she will get a little territorial.
Thanks a lot dmiller.
Its improssible to learn from my supplier where he found them.Unfortunately in Greece is extremly difficult to learn the coast that fish came from.
At the LFS you can see the tanks with the fish and a small tag with fish variants written like this for example: "Cyathopharynx furcifer" "Tropheus moori" "Altolamprologus calvus" and not "Cyathopharynx furcifer Caramba" "Tropheus moorri Moliro" Altolamprologus Calvus black Congo"

I agree that they look like Caramba BUT....Caramba are furcifer? or foai?
The link u gave me says Foai Caramba, i've found them like furcifer Caramba too!
My fish cause me terrible headaches.......searching.....asking for them!
I belive that from Burundi to kigoma, all that north coastline, have only one variant.Cause my fish look like Caramba, Magara,Rutunga, Burundi and Nyanza.

If you read my topic from the beggining u will see that i dont have any females(I maybe have one single female :wink: ) and im asking you guys to help me find my cyathos variant and then order some big sized confirmed females from Europe.I dont want to end up with hybrids.

Thats why i need your help.Till then i promise you i will keep my fish really happy :)

Image
 
Discussion starter · #50 ·
Longstocking said:
Just so you are aware there is really no way to ever really know. If I had to put money on it I would bet they are from burundi... but again there will never be any way to say for certain. In truth, it would be best to just start all over.
I have already thought it Sarah...and as u say its the only way. :thumb:
For now i'm gonna set up a bare bottom four feet tank and put in all the males except from the A male and one fish that looks like a female.Its the only one that has circled anal fin.
I'll give them all the space and time they need also the best conditions and maybe one day they will breed.
 
Discussion starter · #52 ·
Longstocking said:
I would try 2 males and one female... see if that works. Or the female will get chased to death.
I am afraid to try with 2 males but i wil!
I will keep an eye on them.
Thanks a lot for the tip and the information Sarah!
 
Discussion starter · #53 ·
Hi everyone!
I tried 2males and the female in the main tank and fish had a lot of stress .The A male lost his colors at all.I thought that they will be fine in a few days but didn't. So i placed one more male and evreything turned back to normal.My A male colors up again and dancing above his bower.I have less agression for sure in the main tank than before with all fish in it.My female is ok.She get chased some times so a made the aquascape more suitalbe for her.
(before i move the extra males)
Image


My problem is the bare bottom 4feet tank with the 4 males.They are always stressed!They eat normaly but they are always stressed.
Do u think that this permanent stress could lead them to bloat?

P.S. If its possible could a modearator change my topic's tittle from "C.Furcifer probably Karilani" to "C.Furcifer probably Burundi"
Thanks in advance
 
Discussion starter · #56 ·
PrinceG said:
About one year after......

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
So i need your help again about the variant.
Till now:
Sarah said maybe Burundi
Dmiller328 said maybe Caramba
and Kneko said maybe Sibwesa
Any other opinions???
 
Haha - yeah, I'm almost thinking Magara now seeing these new images. Uncanny with the same fin markings, and with a darker blue too. I figured Sibwesa based on some I've seen and the history with your fish and Shaun's.

As we know, especially with furcifer/foai, depending on your lighting, color-correction, and angle of fish - you can get a different looking fish. I think all the variants are just a big conspiracy, since females look generally the same - who's to say that somewhere along the way a different female hooked up with a different male - and through the years all it takes is one person to name it something else, then the whole bloodline is skewed. There are definitely some color variants that could go either way...and again depending on the other factors, someone could surely mistakenly call something that is not what it is. It's just doing my head in with my own too... :D

I change my vote to Magara.
 
Discussion starter · #58 ·
kenko said:
Haha - yeah, I'm almost thinking Magara now seeing these new images. Uncanny with the same fin markings, and with a darker blue too. I figured Sibwesa based on some I've seen and the history with your fish and Shaun's.

As we know, especially with furcifer/foai, depending on your lighting, color-correction, and angle of fish - you can get a different looking fish. I think all the variants are just a big conspiracy, since females look generally the same - who's to say that somewhere along the way a different female hooked up with a different male - and through the years all it takes is one person to name it something else, then the whole bloodline is skewed. There are definitely some color variants that could go either way...and again depending on the other factors, someone could surely mistakenly call something that is not what it is. It's just doing my head in with my own too... :D

I change my vote to Magara.
Ok Magara.
How can you explain that reddish coloration on their body?From what I've seen on the net magara don't get that red.
I'd be grateful if someone could post a pic of a magara fully colored here.
Also the most pictures I've seen on the net for karilani and sibwesa are somehow confused....in my opinion karilani have yellow ending at fins instead of sibwesa that don't.

I accept this pic as a sibwesa cause its from Konings:
Image


Do you accept this pic as karilani with yellow ending at fins?:
Image
 
This is where pictures can skew an opinion as opposed to seeing it in real life. Plus, this is also goes to show the slight cross-over features that some fish exhibit. For instance, Tom's Tangs has a Blue Sibwesa which exhibits the same fin markings as well as the yellow highlights seen here: http://www.tomstanganyikans.com/photofish.asp?id=127

Regarding the red, in your previous pictures, I didn't notice that much red in your fish, as they appear mostly blue, and in the newer shots from Jan 23, you show a more intense blue that I hadn't seen previously.

So, let me ask you, what kind of lighting are you using? For the pictures, are you using ambient light, or are you supplementing with a flash? Is your tank in an area or room that may have reds and oranges? I only ask these to see if the fish is reflecting anything, whether it is a specific wavelength of light, or even from something near by the tank... As we know, these fish are highly reflective, and again, depending on the angle seen or shot with a camera can very well skew the colors slightly - plus everyone's monitors are different, video cards, ambient light, own eyes, even the sensors in the camera, etc. etc. can certainly make for slight variations of color.

Which picture that you have seen or taken represents your fish the best? If I didn't know the fish and saw it with fresh eyes, I would have thought that the first three pictures from Jan 23 are a different fish than the bottom three. For example, I color corrected a couple of your shots as they were showing off quite a bit of Magenta, and as a result your pictures are going to be slightly reddish. Once corrected, the very slight tints of reds on the fish shifted green - making the fish blue at the top and skewing green toward the bottom.

Here's a picture of a Magara I found that looks very similar to yours:


Getting fun yet??
 
Discussion starter · #60 ·
kenko said:
This is where pictures can skew an opinion as opposed to seeing it in real life. Plus, this is also goes to show the slight cross-over features that some fish exhibit. For instance, Tom's Tangs has a Blue Sibwesa which exhibits the same fin markings as well as the yellow highlights seen here: http://www.tomstanganyikans.com/photofish.asp?id=127

I told you about Sibwesa what i think.

Regarding the red, in your previous pictures, I didn't notice that much red in your fish, as they appear mostly blue, and in the newer shots from Jan 23, you show a more intense blue that I hadn't seen previously.

My first 3 pictures are taken without flash.The other 3pics that follows are with flash.I haven't seen cyathos having red without a source of lighting hitting on them.Even the pic I post above as karilani.

So, let me ask you, what kind of lighting are you using? For the pictures, are you using ambient light, or are you supplementing with a flash? Is your tank in an area or room that may have reds and oranges? I only ask these to see if the fish is reflecting anything, whether it is a specific wavelength of light, or even from something near by the tank... As we know, these fish are highly reflective, and again, depending on the angle seen or shot with a camera can very well skew the colors slightly - plus everyone's monitors are different, video cards, ambient light, own eyes, even the sensors in the camera, etc. etc. can certainly make for slight variations of color.

I use led for lighting my tank. smd type. Two led strip like this http://www.v-tac.eu/index.php?page=shop ... 71&lang=en
To tell the truth i believe that the light i use don't show fish's best color.
Thats the only source of lighting while pics where taken plus the camera's flash some times.


Which picture that you have seen or taken represents your fish the best?

Pics that Thausan show at his topic.

If I didn't know the fish and saw it with fresh eyes, I would have thought that the first three pictures from Jan 23 are a different fish than the bottom three.
For example, I color corrected a couple of your shots as they were showing off quite a bit of Magenta, and as a result your pictures are going to be slightly reddish. Once corrected, the very slight tints of reds on the fish shifted green - making the fish blue at the top and skewing green toward the bottom.

Check this also. Pics are taken with a cellphone.First with flash second no flash...
As you see the first has no red instead from the second that has some.
Also check the scales of my fish near his belly and check the scales from the pic with the magara you post.

Image

Image


Here's a picture of a Magara I found that looks very similar to yours:


Getting fun yet??

To be honest not yet
 
41 - 60 of 60 Posts