If you find the blue male morph you will have hybridization between the color morphs.
Where do I find the blue varity of Maylandia estherae!
I presently have 12 red zebras in a 55 gallon tank. I would like to find the blue male morph for this species. Does anyone have any ideas where to find one. Thanks[/b]
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It really isn't hybridization if the fish has the same scientific name Blue and Red Zebra's excluding Cobalts because they are different scientific name. They have the same name Maylindia estherae. I seen no problem. As for finding them try the retail reviews section.
Well, in this instance you are correct, though the explanation is a bit off. Fish of the same Genus species that breed, where there is no difference between locations, or the male/female are the same location are not hybrids. In this instance, both blue and red males occur naturally (along with OB) at Minos Reef. If you bred a Minos Reef estherae with one from a different location, they could be considered hybrids.tropheus duboisi breeder said:It really isn't hybridization if the fish has the same scientific name Blue and Red Zebra's excluding Cobalts because they are different scientific name. They have the same name Maylindia estherae. I seen no problem. As for finding them try the retail reviews section.
Thats what I meant just didn't know how to explain it :thumb:Fogelhund said:Well, in this instance you are correct, though the explanation is a bit off. Fish of the same Genus species that breed, where there is no difference between locations, or are the male/female are the same location are not hybrids. In this instance, both blue and red males occur naturally (along with OB) at Minos Reef. If you bred a Minos Reef estherae with one from a different location, they could be considered hybrids.tropheus duboisi breeder said:It really isn't hybridization if the fish has the same scientific name Blue and Red Zebra's excluding Cobalts because they are different scientific name. They have the same name Maylindia estherae. I seen no problem. As for finding them try the retail reviews section.
look id love to find a pur strain of this as well, where the males are blue and the females are red, no mixing, so they will never throw red males, just the blue... ya know? anyways it seems difficult to obtain this color morph... (pm me ANYONE if you have it, we'll talk)
(pm me ANYONE if you have it, we'll talk)Too bad you're not nearby... I'm growing out a spawn now - 17 little 'blue' males (closer to black at that size) and 15 orange females.
As for there being no isues mixing with redxred, I've never been quite sold on that. Just the fact that some blue males show visible barring whereas others (like the strain I have) don't leaves me wondering whether there isn't further sub-speciation not fully understood yet. Very hard to find reliable info on this.
As for there being no isues mixing with redxred, I've never been quite sold on that. Just the fact that some blue males show visible barring whereas others (like the strain I have) don't leaves me wondering whether there isn't further sub-speciation not fully understood yet. Very hard to find reliable info on this.
They are fairly common in Canada, were imported here for the last eight years or so. I have a bunch, but getting them to the States isn't practical.
Good Luck with your search.
Good Luck with your search.
I'm not sure why you aren't sold on it. Red males can be progeny of blue males. The females are the same, from the same population. This isn't any different than the many populations with OB's involved.Afishionado said:As for there being no isues mixing with redxred, I've never been quite sold on that. Just the fact that some blue males show visible barring whereas others (like the strain I have) don't leaves me wondering whether there isn't further sub-speciation not fully understood yet. Very hard to find reliable info on this.
why cant you just mail them to me? ? ? ? i mean just dont tell them its fish... lol
I could email you some. :thumb:TheeMon said:why cant you just mail them to me? ? ? ? i mean just dont tell them its fish... lol
This topic has been covered several times, and I'll probably get beaten up for "layman's science" here, but it just seems to me that if you take a species that has an overwhelming propensity for throwing blue males in the wild and line-breed it to come up with with a strain with an overwhelming propensity to throw orange males, you have altered something, or at least cultivated a captive population that is biased in a way that is different from the wild population. While the offspring of a mix of bluexred and redxred may perhaps not technically be hybrids, I'd just rather not mix them. If I do and then sell the fry as bluexred perhaps the buyer will raise them and be surprised to find the fry from their fish are mostly orange, or vice-versa if I sell them as redxred and there are a surprising number of blue fry, who knows... If I call them bluexred x redxred that sounds an awful lot like a hybrid to the ears. What it boils down to is although the experts may say they are genetically the same species they are different strains. I prefer not to mix them.Fogelhund said:I'm not sure why you aren't sold on it. Red males can be progeny of blue males. The females are the same, from the same population. This isn't any different than the many populations with OB's involved.
I am not a geneticist and don't claim to be an expert on this subject - this point of view just makes sense to me.
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