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Like what the title says can you do water changes too much? Because I did water changes last night and I looked in my 55 gal and my Female isn't acting the greatest! And she was fine before. Guarding over the nest everything! I just dont get this! Should I slow down on water changes? I do weekly water changes usually around 30-50%. Im I doing something wrong? Last weekend I syphoned my tanks except for the 20 gal L because I just set that one up!
 

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No, as long as the water you're putting into the tank has the same parameters as the water you're taking out of the tank you can never do too much.

In Asia some breeders do 100% water changes two or three times a day and they are producing show winning fish as a result.

Rather then filter their tanks, they leave their fish in completely still natural water.
 

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In some cases yes but in most cases no. I wouldn't clean a tank too much during spawning and breeding times but general maintnance should be done. I do 50% weekly to ten days on my tanks. Clean fresh water will benefit your fish in a number of ways. The only thing is make sure to dechlorinate and match water temp!
 

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Description of what's wrong with the female as well as the past few months history on what you've done with the tank, to include feeding of live foods and introduction of anything new. As well as recent out of the ordinary changes you've done would probably lead you to a better conclusion.
 

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Sorry I forgot to add that. Before the water change (which I do every week and I do the same amount) she was fine watching over the fry and everything and when I added water I accidentely stired up the fry and she went and gathered them and spat them back in the tank. When I looked in the tank around 3 pm She was sitting beside the pot on the gravel and then I took a glance a way for a little bit and when I glanced back she was on her back still sitting above the gravel for a few seconds and then pulled herself back upright but seemed like she was leaning against the pot.

This is the first time I have noticed this! I only added some Giant Danios about 2-3 weeks ago which are now gone. The male is constantly watching the fry! I had to go to work for a few hours and when I returned just recently I found her underneath the driftwood and sitting there. I feed them flakes in the morning and frozen foods at night. I haven't made any changes to the tank. I did do a syphon last Tuesday. The fry and the Male are doing fine! I just dont understand this! I hope she doesn't die!! Just like the other Female I have a great bond with and including the Male! I am already attached to them and I dont understand why I am having this much trouble! :( I have been doing everything to make sure they have a healthy enviornment and they live for a long time! I have done the samethings as I did with the Texas's and I NEVER had problems with them! :( :(
 

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I only feed mine frozen food once or twice a week. I would try and reduce the frozen food and see what happens. If you don't see any obvious signs of sickness this would be a good place to start.
 

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Did you QT the danio first?
No. I did let them acclimate and I didnt pour any of their water in. There isn't any outbreaks at all just she is acting wierd. How could it be the frozen foods? I feed them a HUGE variety!
 

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Still natural water :-? isn't all water natural :-? no filters-then how do they breathe :-? i really disagree with a lot of practices that certain Asians do-I also know of a few who put like 20 large fish in a 180 gallon tank :-?
 

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The way they perform the water change is by topping off and syphoning out over and over.

I.e. if you syphon off 50% of the water then top it off with new water you'll have 50/50, syphon off another 50% and you'll remove 25% of the old water and 25% of the new ect. ect.

Fish don't run out of oxygen because the w/c are done so often...as far as not agreeing with Asian practices, they're pretty much the pioneers in what's being done in the hobby and most of the best looking fish in the world are raised by Asian breeders...
 

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Are you sure none of those missing giant danios were not killed and are now rotting away underneath some decor?

When you do a water change, how much waste are you removing from the substrate and from underneath decor? Simply removing water does not address the real problem. The water change itself could have some adverse affect on the micro-organisms and with out lessening the waste load, it could compound the problem.

Salvinis themselves are not the best of scavengers, and any uneaten food or dead fish could produce even worse toxins then come from fish waste.

You already know what likely happened to your fry in another tank as you did find some nitrite, which is even more toxic then ammonia, and is also possibly more toxic at higher pH. What is the nitrite level in this tank?
 

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The way they perform the water change is by topping off and syphoning out over and over.

I.e. if you syphon off 50% of the water then top it off with new water you'll have 50/50, syphon off another 50% and you'll remove 25% of the old water and 25% of the new ect. ect.
 

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I am pretty sure there aren't any leftover Giant Danios! I will test the tank and find out what the levels are!

I Syphon the whole tank when I do! And I make sure I get down deep! I have noticed that! They dont clean up afterthemselves all that well. They are predators which is why!

Thanks Bernie I will check up on that!
 

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It's also getting to the time of the year where it's heating up. You may want to call your water company and see if they've increased the amount of chloramine to combat warmer weather.
 

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Well everything I had hoped for is falling apart! I am going to have to restock my 55 gal!! :x :x :( :( What is this?!?!?!?!?!? My Female died and now my Male is pale and turning around and around and around and not looking good AT ALL!! The fry are freeswimming and are acting fine so far!! What do I do? Please help me!! I will test when I have the free time! My Male and Female in the 40 are doing fine! But what do I do now? do I keep the fry in the 55 gal or should i move them? How should I stock up my 20 gal L? Because I have the 3 guppies in there and they ate my 4 remaining fry!! God I am losing EVERYTHING!!! I am so pissed, upset, and sad all at the sametime!! What did I do wrong? I am sorry that was a rant but I am in such a mess!!
 

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That there is something extra in your tap water is a distinct possibility. Of course to make water safe to drink the water company has to use chemicals to kill bacteria and if it kills bacteria in your aquarium it could be very detrimental to the health of your tank. That the tap water is somehow affecting the bacterial population of your tank is a distinct possibility. But with out phoning the water company and finding out exactly what they are using and how much, it would be very difficult to know for certain.

From the description given, it doesn't seem like a contagious disease. From the description given it would apear to me to be a problem of nitrite or ammonia. We already know that previous death of fry has already been determined to be nitrite with almost certainty. And fish will have variable tolerance to toxins, dependant on many variables. Of course with out testing the water, very difficult to determine what is happening now.

If it is a problem of nitrite or ammonia, it might be even more difficult to determine exactly why this is occurring. Changes in the type of chemicals used or amount of chloramine used by the water company is just one of many possibilities though it does apear to be a fairly likely possibility as the problem seems to have some connection with your water change.
 
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