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Hey All,

Currently have a Neon Spot that has what looks like a sunken belly and white stringy faeces, and is spitting food some times ,
*** isolated him in my hospital tank

Now from what I've read dosing the food with Seachem Metroplex, Focus and garlic is the way forward however, I cant get the first two products in the UK though

Any suggestions of a product or the ingredients I should be dosing the tank or food with

Was going to try Cichlid salt tonight...?
 

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You can try epsom salts as a laxative; I use 1/2 tablespoon in a cup of water, use an eyedropper to moisten food (pellets) let it soak in for a minute and feed to the fish.
 

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Ask your vet to prescribe the metronidazole. You can also do the Epsom salt...
 

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Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate and not regular sodium based salt. So, no.
 

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Depending on what is wrong with your fish, the Epsom salt may relieve a symptom but not cure the disease. Like aspirin and an antibiotic, you may need both. Is your fish eating?
 

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Well if he is eating it may not be bloat. Try the Epsom salt. Since he is not really eating, add it to the tank but increase GH (by adding Epsom salt) gradually, not all at once. What is your test result for GH now?
 

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In my experience Metronidazole does absolutely nothing in the water column. If your fish don't eat I would recommend Clout. Then once they start eating again use Metro in the food. You can find flake food with Metro in it. If too much damage was done internally your fish may never be 100% from my experience.

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I have had the opposite experience from mudkicker...clout was harsh and ineffective and metro in the water column (I have never treated the food) works like a charm, even with improvement within 24 hours. I do double dose the metro however.

I imagine there are different organisms that cause this issue, and depending on which you have, different meds work differently.

I agree by the time the fish is truly bloated...possibly with eyes even a little swollen, it may be too late no matter what.
 

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DJRansome said:
I have had the opposite experience from mudkicker...clout was harsh and ineffective and metro in the water column (I have never treated the food) works like a charm, even with improvement within 24 hours. I do double dose the metro however.

I imagine there are different organisms that cause this issue, and depending on which you have, different meds work differently.

I agree by the time the fish is truly bloated...possibly with eyes even a little swollen, it may be too late no matter what.
DJ, perhaps the Metro I've been using is not so good. Where do you buy yours and what is your dosing amount and schedule?

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I have been using this last couple of years with very poor results.
 

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I also wonder if treating mbuna is different than treating haps and peacocks. I've only had demasoni with bloat...that extra long gut. Metronidazole expires after 2 years. I get it from jehmco.com which is a fish room supplier in the US.
 

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DJRansome said:
I also wonder if treating mbuna is different than treating haps and peacocks. I've only had demasoni with bloat...that extra long gut. Metronidazole expires after 2 years. I get it from jehmco.com which is a fish room supplier in the US.
It's very possible that mine was expired during my last bloat breakout. However it has never worked for me even when fresh.
I never had a mbuna with bloat in my life, only haps and peacocks.

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I think he followed the directions, but doubled the meds. Worked for him, worked for me and has worked for others.
 

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DJRansome said:
I think he followed the directions, but doubled the meds. Worked for him, worked for me and has worked for others.
DJ do you double the dosage stated in those directions?

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No I followed the directions in the post exactly. If I was treating the larger tank I increased the dosage accordingly.

It would be nice if someone would research the organism(s) that cause bloat and straighten it out for us.

I always thought for the demasoni it was the extra long herbivore gut which would not be the case for carnivores.
 

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No I followed the directions in the post exactly. If I was treating the larger tank I increased the dosage accordingly.

It would be nice if someone would research the organism(s) that cause bloat and straighten it out for us.

I always thought for the demasoni it was the extra long herbivore gut which would not be the case for carnivores.
Yes that would be nice. I can say for sure that it's not due to diet in my experience. I feed my mbuna tank cheap tetra flakes and NEVER got bloat. I feed my haps and peacocks with NLS and now Northfin and I still get bloat sometimes. My most recent outbreak was due to me not quarantining new fish for a long enough time.

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