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It's not the best picture, but I got this fish in trade from a guy who said he was a Red Shoulder Peacock. He's beautiful, but vicious. He has a weird facial/eye stripe(similar to a Venustus) that I've not seen on any peacocks. As I have an all male tank, I'm not worried about breeding him, just thought someone would know what he is...Could he be a Red Empress ? I've not seen one in person..
He's in the "time out tank, and I may try him one more time before I pass him along...

 

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It is not a Red Shoulder, nor a Red Empress.

Would need a better picture to give a positive ID, but chances are it is a Ruby/German Red, or hybrid.
 

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Floridagirl said:
Are German reds maniacs to every other fish?
Nope but I hear the next generation can be when crossed with firefish. :wink:
 

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But if he has an eye stripe there must I guess be more too it than that.
Maybe an Aulonocara x Protomelas Steveni Taiwan Reef. (may explain the agression a bit too)
But for sure not seen one before.
Have to say despite maybe being a hybrid its a glorious looking fish.

All the best James
 

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SanDiegoCichlid619 said:
I have 1 that looks just like it , its a German red
Can you give a photo please.
Modern German Reds look like this

But I think I am getting that in the US pretty much any line bred or crossed Aulonocara with red in it is sold as German Red or red shoulder.
Just look at the profiles on this site :oops:
Those are no where near the colour of modern German Reds.
Also there is the eye stripe.
No German Red has an eye stripe? Yes? Funny enough so called pure German Reds have this and no pure Aulonocara does. A bit of a puzzel if they are as claimed a pure but line bred species and variant?
Sure its a nice looking fish but its not a good modern German Red from erm Germany.
The eye stipe well yep thats fine lots of so called "Aulonocara" have em but its not a natural trait in Aulonocara.
It is a skillfully crafted fish with good colour but what it should be called is a bit of a puzzel.
A US version of a German Red perhaps?

All the best James
 

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24Tropheus said:
SanDiegoCichlid619 said:
I have 1 that looks just like it , its a German red
Can you give a photo please.
Modern German Reds look like this

But I think I am getting that in the US pretty much any line bred or crossed Aulonocara with red in it is sold as German Red or red shoulder.
Just look at the profiles on this site :oops:
Those are no where near the colour of modern German Reds.
Also there is the eye stripe.
No German Red has an eye stripe? Yes? Funny enough so called pure German Reds have this and no pure Aulonocara does. A bit of a puzzel if they are as claimed a pure but line bred species and variant?
Sure its a nice looking fish but its not a good modern German Red from erm Germany.
The eye stipe well yep thats fine lots of so called "Aulonocara" have em but its not a natural trait in Aulonocara.
It is a skillfully crafted fish with good colour but what it should be called is a bit of a puzzel.
A US version of a German Red perhaps?

All the best James
Eye stripe isn't a natural trait in Aulonocara? :lol: Actually... it is.

"Pure" "Modern" German Reds? :lol: So, the old German reds, aren't real? Only the German ones are good?

Thanks. :popcorn:
 

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Here are a few better pics. I took him out of time out to try him again. He sure is beautiful!



 
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def hybrid i have one from a lfs that looks very very similar.. mines still sub-adult but ill take some pics when i can..
 

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Fogelhund said:
Eye stripe isn't a natural trait in Aulonocara? :lol: Actually... it is.

"Pure" "Modern" German Reds? :lol: So, the old German reds, aren't real? Only the German ones are good?

Thanks. :popcorn:
Oops yep I got that wrong. :oops:
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1409
Any idea why folk think this one is hybrid Fogelhund rather than just a line bred guy?
To be honest I am kind of giving up these days on telling the difference, they all seem so mixed up to me. :oops: :)
Sad because I really do not mind buying/keeping/breeding line bred but its just not possible for me to spot the difference between these and hybrid line bred guys.
So as I said before. No idea wheather any German Red is pure anything.

All the best James
 

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I have no idea if a "real" German Red from Germany, from the original sources is pure.... Nor the Ruby... nobody knows, except the original breeders, and they haven't really ever stated. Lots of speculation, but all we can say is they are man made fish.

I couldn't begin to guess if this is a "true" (I hate to say hybrid or not in a "strain" that might be a hybrid to begin with) German/Ruby Red....

What we can conclude, is it doesn't look like a natural species in the lake, and is some man made fish, could be a red variant... or not...
 

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Thanks.
 
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