Sold as a Red Shoulder Peacock????

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Floridagirl

Discussion Starter · Apr 17, 2011

It's not the best picture, but I got this fish in trade from a guy who said he was a Red Shoulder Peacock. He's beautiful, but vicious. He has a weird facial/eye stripe(similar to a Venustus) that I've not seen on any peacocks. As I have an all male tank, I'm not worried about breeding him, just thought someone would know what he is...Could he be a Red Empress ? I've not seen one in person..
He's in the "time out tank, and I may try him one more time before I pass him along...

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Fogelhund

· #2 · Apr 17, 2011

It is not a Red Shoulder, nor a Red Empress.

Would need a better picture to give a positive ID, but chances are it is a Ruby/German Red, or hybrid.

Floridagirl

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 18, 2011

I think hybrid..

ws812

· #4 · Apr 18, 2011

looks like a german red type

Floridagirl

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 18, 2011

Are German reds maniacs to every other fish?

24Tropheus

· #6 · Apr 18, 2011

Floridagirl said:
Are German reds maniacs to every other fish?

Nope but I hear the next generation can be when crossed with firefish. :wink:

24Tropheus

· #7 · Apr 18, 2011

But if he has an eye stripe there must I guess be more too it than that.
Maybe an Aulonocara x Protomelas Steveni Taiwan Reef. (may explain the agression a bit too)
But for sure not seen one before.
Have to say despite maybe being a hybrid its a glorious looking fish.

All the best James

SanDiegoCichlid619

· #8 · Apr 18, 2011

I have 1 that looks just like it , its a German red

24Tropheus

· #9 · Apr 18, 2011

SanDiegoCichlid619 said:
I have 1 that looks just like it , its a German red

Can you give a photo please.
Modern German Reds look like this

But I think I am getting that in the US pretty much any line bred or crossed Aulonocara with red in it is sold as German Red or red shoulder.
Just look at the profiles on this site

Those are no where near the colour of modern German Reds.
Also there is the eye stripe.
No German Red has an eye stripe? Yes? Funny enough so called pure German Reds have this and no pure Aulonocara does. A bit of a puzzel if they are as claimed a pure but line bred species and variant?
Sure its a nice looking fish but its not a good modern German Red from erm Germany.
The eye stipe well yep thats fine lots of so called "Aulonocara" have em but its not a natural trait in Aulonocara.
It is a skillfully crafted fish with good colour but what it should be called is a bit of a puzzel.
A US version of a German Red perhaps?

All the best James

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SanDiegoCichlid619

· #10 · Apr 18, 2011

Was reading this article about them and a few others , I think all the "red" alunocara are bred from these Orange looking ones

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/red_peacocks.php

Fogelhund

· #11 · Apr 18, 2011

24Tropheus said:
SanDiegoCichlid619 said:

I have 1 that looks just like it , its a German red

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Can you give a photo please.
Modern German Reds look like this

But I think I am getting that in the US pretty much any line bred or crossed Aulonocara with red in it is sold as German Red or red shoulder.
Just look at the profiles on this site
Those are no where near the colour of modern German Reds.
Also there is the eye stripe.
No German Red has an eye stripe? Yes? Funny enough so called pure German Reds have this and no pure Aulonocara does. A bit of a puzzel if they are as claimed a pure but line bred species and variant?
Sure its a nice looking fish but its not a good modern German Red from erm Germany.
The eye stipe well yep thats fine lots of so called "Aulonocara" have em but its not a natural trait in Aulonocara.
It is a skillfully crafted fish with good colour but what it should be called is a bit of a puzzel.
A US version of a German Red perhaps?

All the best James

Eye stripe isn't a natural trait in Aulonocara? :lol: Actually... it is.

"Pure" "Modern" German Reds? :lol: So, the old German reds, aren't real? Only the German ones are good?

Thanks.

opcorn:

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Floridagirl

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 19, 2011

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Here are a few better pics. I took him out of time out to try him again. He sure is beautiful!

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SanDiegoCichlid619

· #13 · Apr 19, 2011

Maybe that is a hybrid I didn't see all that yellow on him. Nice fish tho!

noki

· #14 · Apr 19, 2011

Unique fish, I wonder if he will stay yellow with an orange shoulder.

LanceN34

· #15 · Apr 19, 2011

Hybrid or not...that is an amazing fish.

G

· #16 · Apr 19, 2011

def hybrid i have one from a lfs that looks very very similar.. mines still sub-adult but ill take some pics when i can..

24Tropheus

· #17 · Apr 19, 2011

Fogelhund said:
Eye stripe isn't a natural trait in Aulonocara? :lol: Actually... it is.

"Pure" "Modern" German Reds? :lol: So, the old German reds, aren't real? Only the German ones are good?

Thanks. opcorn:

Oops yep I got that wrong.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1409
Any idea why folk think this one is hybrid Fogelhund rather than just a line bred guy?
To be honest I am kind of giving up these days on telling the difference, they all seem so mixed up to me.

Sad because I really do not mind buying/keeping/breeding line bred but its just not possible for me to spot the difference between these and hybrid line bred guys.
So as I said before. No idea wheather any German Red is pure anything.

All the best James

Fogelhund

· #18 · Apr 19, 2011

I have no idea if a "real" German Red from Germany, from the original sources is pure.... Nor the Ruby... nobody knows, except the original breeders, and they haven't really ever stated. Lots of speculation, but all we can say is they are man made fish.

I couldn't begin to guess if this is a "true" (I hate to say hybrid or not in a "strain" that might be a hybrid to begin with) German/Ruby Red....

What we can conclude, is it doesn't look like a natural species in the lake, and is some man made fish, could be a red variant... or not...

24Tropheus

· #19 · Apr 19, 2011

8)
Thanks.

solgood

· #20 · Apr 20, 2011

How large is the fish? I have seen peacocks that look like that but they were hormoned.

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