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Thank you all for the input. I agree it doesn't hurt to have some in the house in case I need it someday, so im placing an order for some Epsom salt. I'm going to hold off from using it until Saturday to see how all the fish respond to pellets tomorrow. Caught a decent pic of the tiny one that hasn't been eating.

They all seem a little aggressive today, chasing each other around. Probably bc they're hangry and I'm sitting by the tank not giving them anything lol
 

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After a day and a half of not feeding, I fed the regular 1mm NLS pellets tonight. Its hard to watch all 20, but from what I could tell, all fish ate well with the exception of the 1 tiny one still. None of the other fish seemed to be spitting out the pellets. No odd behavior, everything seems normal.

I continued to watch the fish and noticed on a couple fish, it looked like a clear feces hanging from their body, so i got a little worried. Kept watching and after a clear portion, the same piece of feces would turn darker to food color. I attached 2 pics, one where its only clear and the second where it turns dark (hard to see the clear part since it blends with the sand, but half of it below the dark part is clear). Is that normal to be part clear and part dark? I havent seen any full completely clear feces. The fact that they all ate well gives some relief but I'm still debating if I should start metro treatments now or just lower the feedings to 2x a day and continue to monitor.
 

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Because you have thick dark feces passing through some of the time...there is no absolute blockage. I would go with Epsom salt at this time. I always keep pure metronidazole on hand, but I keep demasoni.

Why not isolate the little one and see if you can grow him out so he can compete better with the others? That fish does not look skinny at ALL.
 

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The last pics weren't the tiny one, that was a different fish. That's what made me worried that it was other fish that had partially clear feces.

I dont have the space or equipment for a separate hospital tank at this time. Didnt think id have to be ready for that until the fish were a little older and started to breed.

But thank you, ill start an epsom treatment going.
 

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The little guy just never took to eating and passed yesterday. Never got the bloated stomach, so not sure what it was. All other fish seem fine but I think I'm going to soak pellets in metro/focus/garlic as a preventative measure for the others just in case. Do I limit to 1 feeding per day in soaked pellets?
 

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Well worth investing in a hospital tank just in case. So much easier to focus on the one fish and treat as necessary as well as being able to use less medication ect (Sorry about your fish loss)
 

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Just watch the fish now, see if all of the fish are eating and not spitting out the food. Sometimes the fish that are sick look like they are trying to cough, or chewing on nothing. If you can get them to eat the soaked pellets, good.

The best defense is clean water, so don't stop water changes.
 

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Thanks, I do plan to set up a 20g long as a hospital/hopefully breeding tank, but not for a few more months.

I dont know if I'm paranoid from losing the one fish but I feel like a couple of the star sapphires have concave bellies. Started the metro/focus/garlic soaked pellets today. Fish went nuts for the garlic, but there were some uneaten pellets at the end. A couple weeks ago the pellets wouldn't even hit the floor. I plan to do this for at least a week, feeding only 1x a day. Should I be doing any water changes during that time?
 

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noki said:
Just watch the fish now, see if all of the fish are eating and not spitting out the food. Sometimes the fish that are sick look like they are trying to cough, or chewing on nothing. If you can get them to eat the soaked pellets, good.

The best defense is clean water, so don't stop water changes.
Oops, sorry, missed this reply. Thanks for the input, will continue to change water.
 

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Sorry, one more question. Done with day 2 of feeding medicine soaked pellets. Maybe the medicine makes it gross, or maybe they're all suffering from the same parasite/infection...but definitely noticing more fish spit out pellets and less pellets being eaten. Im going to continue this treatment for 5 more days to bring it to 7 days total. After that, if theyre still spitting pellets, I was considering treating the water column with pure metronidazole from national fish pharm. Good/bad idea? Would that add further stress to the fish? Especially any that aren't sick?
 

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Have you tried feeding flake food..?
I did...some fish took to the flakes and some didnt. Might have been my imagination but some of the ones that did like flakes started to not like pellets. I didn't want to create picky eaters so I tried to get them all back on a staple pellet. But you're right, for the sake of getting medicine into all of them, maybe I should be soaking some flakes as well. Then I can ween them off it again when I'm sure everyone's healthy

I did 7 tablespoons of epsom salt in the water column and I'm feeding 1x a day metro/focus/garlic soaked pellets. 3 days down so far. I plan to continue doing daily water changes of 15-20% and will add back 1 tablespoon epsom with each water change while treatment continues. Going to see how they are after 7 days of this and determine if pure metro is needed in the water column after
 

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Fingers crossed it works and they start eating for you, so frustrating when they don't.
Epsom salt is always my go to if I suspect bloat and normally works alone. Like you mention if they won't take medicated food then get some metro into the water.
I assume fish are showing signs of white stringy poop..?
 

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yup some of them started showing white stringy poop. Seemed like even more so after I started with the epsom and metro. Not sure if thats a good sign? They're shedding whatever they need to?

I dissolve the epsom salt in a cup of tank water and just dump it in. Guess we'll see if it works in a week or two
 

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Sounds likes it's working. The last fish i quarantined with suspected bloat white stringy poop teamed out of her after adding the same combo
Over a few days it must have added up to at least 60cm that had come out of the fish. Day after she started eating as normal.
 

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shiftyfox said:
Fingers crossed it works and they start eating for you, so frustrating when they don't.
Epsom salt is always my go to if I suspect bloat and normally works alone. Like you mention if they won't take medicated food then get some metro into the water.
I assume fish are showing signs of white stringy poop..?
You're right its getting really frustrating. Can't get them to swallow the medicated food, so starting the water column treatment tomorrow. I can tell theyre hungry, they still aggressively attack the medicated flakes, but just spit it all out. Then they spend hours sifting through sand to look for food, but still won't swallow the leftovers. I end up vacuuming most of it up during daily water changes. My worry is that once they don't like something, they won't even go near it. NLS and northfin pellets they won't even try, those just go straight to the floor. The flakes theyll try but spit out, so im hoping the medication doesn't ruin it for them to where they wont even try these as well. Keeping the epsom salinity the same by adding a tablespoon during every water change. Once I start treating the water column with metro im gonna try the NLS thera A pellets. Hopefully the garlic and lack of medication will entice them.
 

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I just wanted to clarify your statement about Epsom salinity in your post above. Epsom salt is not sodium based so hence no salinity, it is a mineral called magnesium sulfate.

If you haven't read it already, the Malawi Bloat article in the C-F Library gives a good explanation on treating it.
 

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I just wanted to clarify your statement about Epsom salinity in your post above. Epsom salt is not sodium based so hence no salinity, it is a mineral called magnesium sulfate.

If you haven't read it already, the Malawi Bloat article in the C-F Library gives a good explanation on treating it.
Thanks, sorry, wrong terminology. Meant I'm trying to keep the same level of epsom salt by replacing 1-2 tablespoons dissolved epsom salt with each water change of 15-20%. Great article and i hope following it to a T will get these fish eating again
 
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