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I recently ordered a couple additional female Yellow Labs. I think one of the females I received is holding eggs! Is this possible? Wouldn't the stress of shipping cause her to "abort?" (probably not the correct word) Also, some breeders use sedatives in shipping. Would the sedative harm the eggs?
 

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Possible! She would not necessarily spit the eggs just due to shipping. Hopefully your breeder did not use a sedative...did yours? I would expect the fry would be OK, but hard to tell without knowing the chemical that was used.
 

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I contacted the breeder. They can't tell me for sure if sedatives were used on my order. But they told me that when they do use sedatives, they use Aquacalm. I wish I could get a picture of the fish in question, but I don't know where she is at present.
 

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I could not find anything about the impact of Metomidate hydrochloride on fry. Are you going to raise them?
 

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I could not find anything about the impact of Metomidate hydrochloride on fry. Are you going to raise them?
I don't know.... I wasn't planning on this.... I'm not prepared for it.... I don't know what to do.... Help! Panic! I don't have an empty tank to put her in even if I could catch her, which I can't.
 

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I would let this batch go. You can't be absolutely sure who she spawned with.

Are you going to eventually raise fry?
 

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I would let this batch go. You can't be absolutely sure who she spawned with.

Are you going to eventually raise fry?
That's true; they could be hybrids, huh? I hadn't thought of that. What do you mean by "let this batch go?"

Do I eventually want to raise fry? I hadn't decided yet. I expected to have a couple more months to think it over and research what all is involved. I live in a small apartment; don't have room for a lot of tanks.....
 

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Let her spit in the tank with the adults. That will be what you usually do with females that hold in the tank ongoing.
 

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Yeah? And then what happens?
 

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The adults in the tank eat the babies as soon as they are spit.
 

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2 out of 20? Most were eaten...I rarely have survivor fry (like six in 15 years) but if you don't want any stock Synodontis.
 

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2 out of 20? Most were eaten...I rarely have survivor fry (like six in 15 years) but if you don't want any stock Synodontis.
Granted, these are not Malawians, but a picture is worth 1000 words nonetheless...

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Can you tell if she is still holding? If they are survived all of this so far, give them a chance if they survive in the rocks. If they are hybrids, just don't give away or let breed as adults.
 

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Can you tell if she is still holding? If they are survived all of this so far, give them a chance if they survive in the rocks. If they are hybrids, just don't give away or let breed as adults.
Yes, she is definitely still holding. Is there any way to tell how much longer she has to go before she spits them?
 

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Mother lets them go when the babies are getting too big and they are free swimming. Can you see the fry when see opens her mouth? Yellow labs are harder to see inside, since they have small pointed mouth lips.
 

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No, I can't see any fry yet. But mama herself looks very healthy.... much better than I would look if I didn't eat for 2 weeks!
 

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Here's how I think of this. I think it's actually super common to get a holding female.
I'm going to guess that you ordered a "guaranteed female" and I'm also going to guess that Dave was involved somewhere along the line.

If I were in the business of selling "guaranteed female" mbuna, I would simply wait until one had a mouth full, and then send her. What is a more sure way to know? This has some unintended consequences, though. In your case, you got a holing fish and babies you didn't know what to do with. I got a horrifically emaciated fish who nearly died. I think that she had been holding for some time and was therefore predictibly skinny. I'm guessing that they sent her right after spitting. Lucy barely made it, and I won't be doing that again.

For the question of "When do females spit?" The answer is yes. We see new fry in the tank ALL THE TIME. Since we put 10 petricolas in there, we do NOT see fry surviving to join the population. They get spit, they get found. They last maybe 1-2 days, then they're gone.

Sometimes though, they do it all dramatic like. Sometimes, the new moms just get so hungry during feeding time, and well - Spit. During Feeding. The results are "exciting" and predictable. I personally hate seeing it, as, well, I... just don't want to. Last time it happened, Calypso, our try-hard Astatotilapia Latifasciatus released 4(?) fry about dead center in the tank high in the water column just after feeding. Just kinda Opened her mouth and was like "mama's hungry, get the heck out!" and there they were. One, whom La Sra. Strum has now named Icharus (sic. I think it's funny. Whatever.) flew high and down the overflow. He has earned the place in a grow-out tank.
 

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Here's how I think of this. I think it's actually super common to get a holding female.
I'm going to guess that you ordered a "guaranteed female" and I'm also going to guess that Dave was involved somewhere along the line.

If I were in the business of selling "guaranteed female" mbuna, I would simply wait until one had a mouth full, and then send her. What is a more sure way to know? This has some unintended consequences, though. In your case, you got a holing fish and babies you didn't know what to do with. I got a horrifically emaciated fish who nearly died. I think that she had been holding for some time and was therefore predictibly skinny. I'm guessing that they sent her right after spitting. Lucy barely made it, and I won't be doing that again.

For the question of "When do females spit?" The answer is yes. We see new fry in the tank ALL THE TIME. Since we put 10 petricolas in there, we do NOT see fry surviving to join the population. They get spit, they get found. They last maybe 1-2 days, then they're gone.

Sometimes though, they do it all dramatic like. Sometimes, the new moms just get so hungry during feeding time, and well - Spit. During Feeding. The results are "exciting" and predictable. I personally hate seeing it, as, well, I... just don't want to. Last time it happened, Calypso, our try-hard Astatotilapia Latifasciatus released 4(?) fry about dead center in the tank high in the water column just after feeding. Just kinda Opened her mouth and was like "mama's hungry, get the heck out!" and there they were. One, whom La Sra. Strum has now named Icharus (sic. I think it's funny. Whatever.) flew high and down the overflow. He has earned the place in a grow-out tank.
This fish did not come from "Dave," but your theory still makes sense regardless of who the breeder is. I was mostly just surprised that she continued holding throughout the shipping ordeal. I figured the stress would trigger her to give up on this brood. Unfortunately, I don't have the ability right now to set up a grow-out tank, so I guess it will be law of the jungle for this batch... "nature red in tooth and claw" and all that.

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....One, whom La Sra. Strum has now named Icharus (sic. I think it's funny. Whatever.) flew high and down the overflow.....
Nicely done! A classical reference and a play on a dreaded fish disease. Worst name for a fish store: Ich-R-Us Aquatics.
 

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Would I be able to use my planted 20g tank as a grow-out tank? What would I have to do to make it suitable for mbuna fry?
 
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