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When I observed these two at the pet store, they were defending a corner of the tank like a mated pair. However, after a night in my tank, they both look like pink-bellied females!!!

Please let me know what sex(es) you think these little guys/gals are :)

Thanks!

GBR 1 Top & 2 Bottom:


GBR 1 Closeup:


GBR 2 Closeup:
 

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and also, males usually do not have blue scales over that big black spot on their body, from your photos it looks as though both of yours have it, indicating female. Also the spikes on their head isn't as long as a males would be. Again I'd go with both being female. I was really lucky when I picked mine out at my LFS, the guy helping me knew a lot about GBR and picked out a male and 2 females for me.
 

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The first one is a male. I'm not positive on the second one, but would say 80% sure it's female. Easiest way to tell with rams is the males have an taller 2nd spine on their dorsal; it is easy to spot in the first photo.

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I took the more submissive one back to the store and exchanged it for the largest Ram in the tank.

No one at the store was any help sexing them, and they were being kept with a bunch of Tetras so their colors were almost totally absent and they were not displaying their dorsals at all, so I had very little to go on other than size and presence/absence of a pink belly...

What do you guys think? Is it a male?





 

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You have to be careful with GBR's, they don't always follow the same rules when it comes to sexing. After many generations of selective breeding, the traits start to show up in both sexes, the best way to tell is by venting, it really is the only way to know for sure. :thumb:

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If you google sexing blue rams, you can find some really good articles on how to sex them. The dorsal spine trick isn't all that reliable in young fish. I typically look for three or four good signs before calling it one or the other.

My guess was the first one you had was a female (I've never seen a male with a pink belly), and the second was a male, but it's hard to tell without actually seeing them.

Here are the main points I use:

1) Pink Belly -- Almost sure indicator of female

2) Dorsal / Anal Fins -- Rounded and shorter for females. For males, it's a little more pointed and extends past the beginning of the tail fin

3) Spangling on the black spot -- A female will have really pronounced blue spots in the black spot that look different from the spangling that covers their body. For males, the spot will either be entirely black or have small spangling that's similar to the rest of the body.

4) Dorsal spine -- Like was said above, the second dorsal spine gets really pronounced in males, but in my experience, it doesn't do so until they're older

5) Pelvic Fins -- The females will have black on their two pelvic fins, the males will not

Keep in mind, however, that buying a single male and female doesn't guarantee a pair:
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/view ... 9bbd49f71a

You may want a couple of females to start out with. You can take back the one(s) that start getting exiled.
 

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RayQ said:
the best way to tell is by venting, it really is the only way to know for sure.
What is venting?
thx
 

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Thanks, Wingman!

After my little pink-bellied *female* stressed the male to death, I have decided to let her rule the 10-G tank all by herself, since she has enough personality to fill at least twice that space :)

If my favorite fish store ever gets any Electric Blue Rams in, I might get a group of 4 or 5 and see if she wants to pair with any of them. Otherwise, she will share the 10-G with a bristlenose pleco and I will give up on pairing her off!

P.S. "Venting" is examining a fish or reptile's vent (reproductive opening) for characteristic male or female traits.
 

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PlatinumSM said:
P.S. "Venting" is examining a fish or reptile's vent (reproductive opening) for characteristic male or female traits.
LOL, allrightythen . . . oh the images in my head now, I can't unsee that, LMAO
 
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