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Hello

My name is Ramón and I live in Berlin. I just bought a Juwel Rio 350 litters / 90 gallons https://www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/Products/Aquariums/Rio-Line-LED/Rio-350-LED/. I am using a BioMaster Thermo 850. I would like to take care of my first Mbuna. Hardness of water in my district is 21 °dH. https://www.waterhardness.net/deutschland/berlin/10961-kreuzberg.html. I bought a second hand tank and its filled with 25kg of used JBL Manado soil that https://www.jbl.de/en/products/detail/3398/jbl-manado. I was planning to ad 10 extra kg of silica sand Euroquarz Aquacolor 0,04-0,08mm https://www.euroquarz.com/decorations-pet-and-zoo-supply/aquarium-gravel-aquacolor/. I belive that the organic waste will be a good first layer before adding the sand in order to avoid future filtering problems.

The most difficult topic for me is to know if my selection of fished will be compatible. I am planning to get them all together at once from a german trustworthy website called Aquahaus https://aquahaus-gaus.de/. I prefer to not to overstock if possible. I am open to new suggestions or, of course, some corrections. All males. My selection is the following one:

1. Taeniolethrinops praeorbitalis Chembe
2. Cheilochromis euchilus Likoma
3. Exochochromis anagenys yellow
4. Placidochromis johnstoni
5. Cyprichromis microlepidotus Karilani
6. Copadichromis trewavasae red tips Msisi
7. Taeniolethrinops furcicauda Chiofu Liwani

8. Lichinochromis acuticeps
9. Copadichromis melas Mara Point
10. Aulonocara fire fish /OR/ Aulonocara stuartgranti Chilumba

Thanks in advance for your help!
 

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Welcome to Cichlid-forum!

I would not do soil under sand with Malawi...are you planting the tank?

The fish you have listed are not mbuna, they are haps and aulonocara.

The Cyprichromis are from Lake Tanganyika, you may wish to avoid them in a Malawi tank.

The Copadichromis and firefish will work in a 90G but the johnstoni may be too large for the tank as it matures at 8 inches. Stock with fish that mature at six inches or less.

Taeniolethrinops praeorbitalis Chembe Too big. Taeniolethrinops praeorbitalis is a 13" fish.
Cheilochromis euchilus Likoma Too big, Chilotilapia euchilus is an 11" fish.
Exochochromis anagenys yellow Too big, this is a 13" fish
Taeniolethrinops furcicauda Chiofu Liwani Too big. Taeniolethrinops sp. "furcicauda is an 8" fish.
Lichinochromis acuticeps Too big. Lichnochromis acuticeps is a 13" fish.
 

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Hello

thanks for your fast reply. I am really looking forward to get started as soon as possible. First, I will completely remove the soil as recommended and only include 0.04/0.08mm quartz sand. But first I really wanna make sure I am selecting a good Mbnuna. This time I select smaller fishes from Malawi Lake (as they advice on the website...) as you recommended me due to my tank size.

1. Trematocranus placodon Mbenji
2. Lethrinops red cap Itungi
3. Mylochromis spec. Mchuse
4. Lethrinops sp. gold Harbour Island Monkey Bay
5. Chilotilapia rhoadesi
6. Aulonocara red rubin OR Aulonocara eureka
7. Protomelas sp. "steveni taiwan" Taiwan Reef OR Protomelas taeniolatus Senga Point
8. Copadichromis virginalis yellow crest Nkanda OR Copadichromis borleyi Nkhata Bay OR Copadichromis chrysonotus
9. Placidochromis phenochilus Lupingu OR Placidochromis johnstoni SOLO
10. Metriaclima Estherae Minos Reef OR Metriaclima Hajomaylandi Chizumulu OR Metriaclima Zebra Chiwi Rocks

And as you adviced:
11. Copadichromis trewavasae red tips Msisi
12. Aulonocara fire fish OR perhaps Aulonocara mamelela Undu
 

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There was other fish I was interested but I did not included in the previous list because I though they might be too big for 90gal.

Labeotropheus Fuelleborni Makanjila OR Labeotropheus Trevawasae Minos Reef (second a bit smaller I believe)
 

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The Labeotropheus are mbuna and would be OK with other mbuna.

But all the fish on your old and new list are haps except for #10 which is a mbuna.

It sounds like you want an all-male tank. Haps and peacocks work better than mbuna for that.

Use the Cichlid-forum profiles to see the size of the fish...don't take the word of the vendor.

Some of the new haps on your list mature > six inches and are still too big.

Lethrinops is too shy to color well in all male usually. #2 and #4. I would skip them.

Too big #1, 5, 7 and 9. #8 borleyi matures at 8 inches so too big...the virginialis or chrysonotos would work.
 

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Man, thanks! I am currently reading a lot about Lake Malawi and all natural history and evolution. I am fascinated with those fishes and am currently investing time and budget and preparing a really cool tank. I will share pictures. They will be my only flatmates for a long while and I wanna know what I am getting, Ideally I would like to find about 12 males for Mbuna of the size you recommended (not above 8 inches) of the following colours and that will potentially get on well with each other (we never know but... I know there are some historic empiric resutls for what *** seen here by "experts"...

Yellow/Gold
Orange/Red
White/Silver

I am trying to find some index so I can invest some more time in this selection but its getting hard because in many shops the information is very confusing and rather miss-leading. If anyone help me with selection is invited after COVID restrictions for a long weekend in the centre of Berlin anytime! For real ; )

Curently I am ordering this background https://aquadecorbackgrounds.com/wp-con ... adecor.png and will get many of this big stones too. I want it to be very straight lines industrial cold style. And will put warm light with some red too. https://www.milesstone.co.uk/product/pe ... le-stones/

Ramón
 

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Mbuna are difficult in an all male tank. Why not mixed gender mbuna?

1m:7f Labeotropheus Trevawasae Minos Reef
1m:7f Metriaclima Estherae Minos Reef
1m:4f Labidochromis caeruleus Nkhata
 

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I am a bit concerned about having babies... What would I do with them in that tank? There will eventually not be enough space... Can I buy gay male Cichlids? :D
 

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Let nature take it's course and the adults will eat the babies as soon as they are spit. No overcrowding.

You could also add 5 Synodontis multipunctatus for fry patrol.
 

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Cool - I appreciate your input.

So I am getting the 3 following breeds:
Copadichromis chrysonotus https://aquahaus-gaus.de/epages/513fb823-ad67-4c94-bfb4-1dbf77dab133.sf/en_GB/?
Copadichromis virginalis yellow crest Nkanda https://aquahaus-gaus.de/epages/513fb823-ad67-4c94-bfb4-1dbf77dab133.sf/seca091485d5d/?
Labeotropheus Trevawasae Minos Reef https://african-colours-shop.de/produkt/labeotropheus-trevawasae-chitande-rare/

I will also get 5 Synodontis multipunctatus and will mix female and male.

How many of each specie you recommend me in order to have a non veeery stocked 90 gallon 120cmx51x66 tank?
Maybe 3 each is a reasonable idea? 1 male / 2 females?

: ) THANKS
 

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That is not enough females for 4 males. Even for a peaceful Malawai, four females for every male helps manage aggression. You don't want to combine the aggressive mbuna labeotropheus with the timid hap Copadichromis. And you also don't want to mix two species of Copadichromis in the same tank. The fish will crossbreed so any survivors will be hybrids. You also will have a hard time (impossible?) identifying which females are chrysonotus and which females are virginalis since they look alike. That means if you ever want to sell the fish to try a new species, you will not be able to sell them as pure and should probably keep them for their lifetimes in your tanks.

Lethrinops does not color well in a tank with other species, even with other haps like Copadichromis.
 

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So after quite a lot of researching I believe as a beginner I will gor for a Aulonocara tank. 12 male Peacocks. All bellow 6 inches and not sharing same species. No OB / hybrids or albinos.

Chitande Type Chemwezi
Kiningsi Mbenji
Maylandi
Iwanda Hai Reef
Stuartgranti Chilumba
Saulosi green face Likoma
Ethelwynnae
Kandeense Kande
Maulana
Red Rubin
Yellow Collar Mazinzi
Brevinidus

I hope my research has not many faults and they will live in harmony. : )
 

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Sorry to suggest you continue to change your list, but these are things to keep in mind about peacocks:
1-It is hard to find 12 peacocks that look nothing alike, which is why so many people keep haps as well. One red, one yellow, one blue...then they start to look similar.
2-Some fish are too timid to color well in a male tank, like Kandeense and Maylandi
3-Some fish keepers have a guideline for one jacobfreibergi per tank and you have maulana, lwanda (and maybe others) that are jacobfreibergi.

What about these haps from your earlier list?

8. Copadichromis virginalis yellow crest Nkanda OR Copadichromis chrysonotus
9. Placidochromis electra (not exactly what was on your list, but works in your tank size)
 
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