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Six caudos on the way!

For flake food is this stuff decent?

Tetra TetraCichlid Balanced Diet Flakes Food for Cichlids
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Just food (pun included!馃槀馃槀) for thought. We use Seachem green/w garlic flake food along with everything else we feed, which is actually around the spectrum!馃槂 but, anyways, the garlic protects your babies from pretty much everything! If the poor babies aren't sick beforehand though, of course. We NEVER have any problems with Ich, parasites, they'll always healthy...nowww...if we could just be warned about nitrates and such, it'd be a perfect hobby...really!!馃槀馃槀
 

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Northfin did just come out with a new Cichlid flake that looks good. Sera makes top quality pellet and flake. New Life Spectrum makes excellent pellet (haven鈥檛 seen a flake from them), that is a popular pellet. Most pellet can be had in a small size. For smaller fish though, I do prefer feeding flake to pellet.
 

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Northfin did just come out with a new Cichlid flake that looks good. Sera makes top quality pellet and flake. New Life Spectrum makes excellent pellet (haven鈥檛 seen a flake from them), that is a popular pellet. Most pellet can be had in a small size. For smaller fish though, I do prefer feeding flake to pellet.
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I have some NF on the way now from Chewy. Seems like you can only get the big 350g jar.

I ordered (6) of the caudopunctatus from [Vendor Name Removed]. Price and shipping seemed reasonable. Hopefully they all make it here OK. Ideally this Friday. Not sure when they'll ship out though.

After they settle down and the tank runs for a while the next addition will be a group of julidochromis ornatus. And then after that cyps to finish off the setup.
 

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Sorry to bump this thread guys but the tank which was setup last weekend has gotten quite cloudy all the sudden and there is evidently a bloom going on in there. I noticed this yesterday and proceeded to add quickstart to the tank. This morning however the issue has not gotten any better.

Do I need to delay adding fish to the aquarium at this point and wait for this to clear?
 

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How did you cycle the tank? If the cloudiness is white, it is a bacteria bloom. Ideally the bacteria that are currently in the water column will settle on your media. If the caudos are already on their way, it will not hurt them (as long as ammonia and nitrite are zero and nitrate continues to increase).

If you have not ordered them why not wait? Did you disturb the substrate at all?
 
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It's not a substrate disturbance. The cause is most definitely a bloom.

They are ordered however I may be able to stop them from shipping if I act quickly. I don't have a kit (yet) so can't do any testing today.
 

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Test kit before fish...how can you know the tank is cycled and/or safe for the fish?
 
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My impression of quick start was you add that and can basically add fish pretty much immediately.

I have an ammonia tester getting here tomorrow. So if there is a problem I can stay out ahead of it with water changes. Or just screw it for now and ask to delay the shipment of caudos.
 

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Oh no.... :oops:
My impression of quick start was you add that and can basically add fish pretty much immediately.
This situation went from not good - to really BAD - really fast!
And yes, if you can still shut down that shipment of these expensive Cichlids you have purchased?
DO IT!!!
You are having some fundamental problems with the water and chemistry of your tank. Things you need to sort out and correct before putting those very nice fish in that aquarium.
An API Master Test Kit is probably the very next purchase you should make.
 

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I emailed them asking to delay. Well see if they can.
I was under the impression that most people dont do fishless cycling any more and that you are supposed to add some fish to help establish the tank. That is incorrect?
 

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That would be incorrect.
If your fish delivery has been successfully postponed?
- Test the water! IF you have ANY measurable Ammonia or Nitrites? Your tank is not finished cycling. Do not introduce any fish into what could surely be a lethal, or at the very least, harmful environment.
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If your fish delivery is now - On The Way?
- REALLY Test the water! Get more of that starter stuff, and marinate your biological filtration media in it. But, most of all - get established filtration from another fully cycled/old/running normally - freshwater aquarium. And get that thing or stuff running immediately on your new aquarium. THAT act alone will turn your now 'new' aquarium almost instantly into an established, safe, running normally type aquarium for your fish.
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And well, maybe the gods of freshwater fish husbandry will smile upon you if your fish are delivered while you are actively dealing (fighting) with a still cycling tank.... but, your fish and life certainly won't. Daily water changes. Constant checks for Ammonia and Nitrite that seem to NEVER go away. It's awful!
Avoiding all of that pain? Is why we seriously still DO Fishless Cycling.
 
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They can鈥檛 delay so I will pick up some stress coat and a nitrite/nitrate tester tonight at petsmart. The starter fluid was added yesterday per the instructions. I鈥檓 not sure I want to just dump a whole bunch more in there. I have an ammonia kit on the way too.

I can do daily water changes if needed. Not a problem. Those are ten times easier with freshwater tanks and a python vs dealing with saltwater. Been there done that.
 

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Oh man....
I'm really sorry to hear that. :oops:
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Best advice I can offer now that WILL fix this problem? Is to somehow get established filtration (or at least fully colonized filtration media) from a fully cycled/established aquarium) and place it on your tank.
Trust me on this: You'll avoid the really unpleasant cycling tank thing altogether, if you can do that.
 

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Assuming the bloom is bad and we have a toxicity issue in the first place. Which we may.

Ill see what they have at petsmart tonight. Maybe they can share a piece of a filter or a dash of gravel. Even a rock from a tank might help.
 

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Good luck with it. From experience... Petsmart will be kinda, 'meh' on helping you with this problem. Best bets as follows,
  • 1) Friend, relative or close associate has an aquarium(s) and will loan you filtration they can spare until your tank has safely completed the cycling process.
  • 2) The LFS (Mom & Pop?) has an extra air-driven, fully established sponge filter running on a now empty tank. Hopefully they will sell it to you (rent?). Putting that thing into your tank will almost instantly fix the cycling problem.
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But.... if you are ultimately left with a zip-loc bag filled with some brown, tattered looking filter floss, gravel or some other less optimal source of beneficial filtration bacteria? DO NOT DESPAIR! You will have a precious object(s) with which to perform 'inoculation' procedures on the Biological filter media of your aquarium. Doing that procedure successfully, can shorten the cycling time for newly established aquariums, in dramatic fashion.
 
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Buy a master freshwater test kit with liquid reagents and test tubes...it will have pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate tests...all essential. You will be testing daily.
 

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What can be done will be done. I鈥檒l swing by petsmart and get a kit, some stress coat, and hopefully something with a bit of biofilm to add on way home from work tonight.
 
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