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Hi. I just set up a 75g tank and have it cycling. Currently nothing in the tank but a couple anubias nana and java fern. Caves are setup from granite pieces and I have two main cave 'complexes' one on each end of the tank. Middle area is somewhat open with pieces of granite pointing up vertically to provide a bit of a visual barrier between the two ends.

It's been about 10 years since I've had a cichlid tank and while I'm not a complete newb I'm not sure where to go with this. My goals look something like this:
1. Colorful mix of at least two species, up to three max.
2. One synodontis cat.
3. I'd like the possibility of breeding but don't want a bunch of mass murder going on by nasty cranky males/pairs.
Off the cuff my inclination would be to start with a group of leleupei, julies, and cyprichromis.

Thoughts please? Thanks in advance.
 

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Thanks for the ideas! I do like shell dwellers but am looking for a bit more color if I can get away with it.

Would a group of 8-10 cyprichromis and a group of 4-6 julidochromis get along OK with a single leleupi? That way you do have the one specimen and no possibility of pairing off. Assuming though, they wouldn't hybridize with the julies..?
 

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If I hop on it I can pick up a group of six Julidochromis Regani Kipilli F1 right now. Seems like that wouldn't be a bad start for the tank. I've google imaged this species and they seem to have some very nice coloration.

I've more or less settled on Cyprichromis for the second species in the tank at this point but there isn't a lot of options out there at the moment to order from and I'm not sure what species I'd even want to go with yet. Which one might compliment the J. Regani Kipilli the best.

This is a 75g tank. Is 10 cyprichromis and 6 julidochromis going to be pushing it?

EDIT: The neo caudopunctatus are also available tank raised. While maybe not quite as striking as the julies they do look nice. I may have to let my wife choose on this one as now I'm sort of undecided between the two. ;)
 

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Looks like ornatus and transcriptus are available currently. Both of which stay on the smaller side and have some nice coloration to them.

The paradox of choice seems to be involved. Probably going to be easier to punt and have my wife make the decision after narrowing this down to a few options. :)

I am going to hold off on the cyps until I get the tank settled down for now and do some more research.
 

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I have some NF on the way now from Chewy. Seems like you can only get the big 350g jar.

I ordered (6) of the caudopunctatus from [Vendor Name Removed]. Price and shipping seemed reasonable. Hopefully they all make it here OK. Ideally this Friday. Not sure when they'll ship out though.

After they settle down and the tank runs for a while the next addition will be a group of julidochromis ornatus. And then after that cyps to finish off the setup.
 

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Sorry to bump this thread guys but the tank which was setup last weekend has gotten quite cloudy all the sudden and there is evidently a bloom going on in there. I noticed this yesterday and proceeded to add quickstart to the tank. This morning however the issue has not gotten any better.

Do I need to delay adding fish to the aquarium at this point and wait for this to clear?
 

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It's not a substrate disturbance. The cause is most definitely a bloom.

They are ordered however I may be able to stop them from shipping if I act quickly. I don't have a kit (yet) so can't do any testing today.
 

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My impression of quick start was you add that and can basically add fish pretty much immediately.

I have an ammonia tester getting here tomorrow. So if there is a problem I can stay out ahead of it with water changes. Or just screw it for now and ask to delay the shipment of caudos.
 

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I emailed them asking to delay. Well see if they can.
I was under the impression that most people dont do fishless cycling any more and that you are supposed to add some fish to help establish the tank. That is incorrect?
 

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They can’t delay so I will pick up some stress coat and a nitrite/nitrate tester tonight at petsmart. The starter fluid was added yesterday per the instructions. I’m not sure I want to just dump a whole bunch more in there. I have an ammonia kit on the way too.

I can do daily water changes if needed. Not a problem. Those are ten times easier with freshwater tanks and a python vs dealing with saltwater. Been there done that.
 

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Assuming the bloom is bad and we have a toxicity issue in the first place. Which we may.

Ill see what they have at petsmart tonight. Maybe they can share a piece of a filter or a dash of gravel. Even a rock from a tank might help.
 

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What can be done will be done. I’ll swing by petsmart and get a kit, some stress coat, and hopefully something with a bit of biofilm to add on way home from work tonight.
 

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I tested ammonia last night and it was at or close to zero.

Before I add the fish late this afternoon I'll test again and also test for nitrites. If I see evidence of a spike then I'll immediately change 25-50% of the water out, re-test, and if levels are knocked down add the fish at that point. Then continue daily monitoring for a while.

Bloom seems to be clearing up a little bit. I added an anubias (possibly frazeri) to the tank yesterday that I picked up at petco. They had no filter media to share with me unfortunately so this was the best I could do and hopefully it added a little bit of helpful bacteria to the water.

I'm aware that the bloom seemingly clearing up a bit is no guarantee of anything really. I'll be forced to daily monitor this for a while and be ready to react if ammonia or nitrite levels spike out of hand.
 

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I have a couple penguin 350 running with bio-wheels going and they've been up for about a week now.

I've run canister filters in the past but IME a couple HOB that turn the water over often enough are plenty once things get going. At this point we just need to get off the ground.
 

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Well to be fair the quick start and add fish action I took was based in reading around in the net. Thats why I thought fishless cycling was not required any more.

I do miss LFS. They seem to have practically disappeared. :/

I’ll check out the article posted earlier about the penguins and bio media. Thanks
 
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