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I am planning a new tank and at first was going to do some malawi mbuna, but have changed my mind and am thinking of doing some of my favorite tangs (I say some of my favorites because I am a huge fan of Fronts, but can't do such a large tank.)

I am thinking about a 30 gallon long with

pair of Brichardi (With the longest lyre tails I can find.. maybe Cape Nangu with their little green faces or Magara?)
pair of Calvus Inkfins
3-4 (one male, 2-3 females) Oscillatus
2-4 Syn. Petricola

Hopefully all will breed.

What do you think of this combination and putting them in this tank size???? And what ratio of oscillatus are best?

Also, I am considering going with wild-caught, but unsure. What are the pros and cons of wild versus F1 versus others?

Finally, I am wondering about the substrate. I was going to do sand simply because the oscillatus is so cute blowing sand. Will the others like the sand? And I was planning on black sand to make the Brichardi and Oscillatus stand out, but I am not sure it will do justice to the Calvus? How about if I have a lot of white stone to show off the calvus?

In any case, simply in the planning stage (need to convince my husband of another tank still, but getting closer.) I would appreciate all thoughts prior to my setting it up though.....

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and help....
 

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Honestly, if you want these fish to breed I would take the catfish out.

Also, brichardi are very aggressive to any and all tank mates.

A 30 gallon with Calvus and Ocellatus would be very nice. I've done this exact tank and it's a nice combination that allows both to breed and be happy.
 

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CichlidWhisperer said:
I am thinking about a 30 gallon long with

pair of Brichardi (With the longest lyre tails I can find.. maybe Cape Nangu with their little green faces or Magara?)
pair of Calvus Inkfins
3-4 (one male, 2-3 females) Oscillatus
2-4 Syn. Petricola

What do you think of this combination and putting them in this tank size????
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's definately a bad idea to house a pair of brichardi-types with any other fish, particularly in a small tank. If you want to breed the brichardi, give them their own tank and they will happily comply. Additionally, I don't like to keep synos with shellies: too much conflict. The synos are efficient egg/fry predators and would disrupt the breeding of all the other fish.

Something else to consider: breeding calvus and occies will likely require an additional fry tank as the babies are often eaten by the parents. Julidochromis and brichardi are good parents, and will tolerate their young until nearly breeding age.

Also, I am considering going with wild-caught, but unsure. What are the pros and cons of wild versus F1 versus others?
Please see recent postsregarding this debate: it ends up being a decision based on personal preference, what's available, and what you can afford.

Finally, I am wondering about the substrate. I was going to do sand simply because the oscillatus is so cute blowing sand. Will the others like the sand? And I was planning on black sand to make the Brichardi and Oscillatus stand out, but I am not sure it will do justice to the Calvus? How about if I have a lot of white stone to show off the calvus?
All these fish look good on black sand, and generally, they prefer sand to gravel. Lighter substrates can make the fish look more washed out.

So, options for breeding these fish in a 30 gal that would work out...

* Brichardi species tank
* Calvus, occies, and a small Julidochromis (not regani or marlieri)
* Gobies and S. petricola

good luck!
 

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Thanks for the advise...

I simply love Brichardi, but maybe I will wait until I have another tank for them...

I am actually considering an extralong 33 gallon (4 foot long), would Brichardi be possible in that tank?

Otherwise, I was hoping for something a little delicate instead of Julies... What about Cyprichromis Leptosoma, paracyprichromis nigripinnis, or if I can find them, callochromis pleurospilies instead of the Julies?

Triscuit, did you mean the gobies and S Petricola in the same tank with the Calvus and Occies, or to keep them together in a seperate tank?

Also, I am trying to read up on the discussions on wild caught fish, but the one question I can't find answered yet is whether or not they can have issues adjusting to the tank and other fish in the tank? I like the idea of wild caught for breeding purposes, but not sure if it will be more stressful (for me, as well as the fish.)

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I wouldn't really keep the brichardi complex with other fish unless they're really tough. You may be able to keep Calvus with them, possibly the smaller Telmatochromis temporalis and maybe something like a leleupi.

On the other hand I do keep my shellies with synos, but if you want to keep the fry, they must be removed shortly after you spot them, the won't last long in an aquarium full of predators. I find that as long as the fish spawn in shells you'll be able to get viable fry from them.

Paracyps are another option for a tank of that size, they're peaceful (I think they're a bit boring) but a small group can be successful in a 30 gallon aquarium.
 

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If I wanted to put the brichardi in with calvus and Occies, how big a tank would I need? Or is it simply not a good idea irrespective of size....

I had a 120 gallon a while back with brichardi, Occies, and a bunch of others (actually including Fronts) and they did well, but I think I was lucky at least with the Front-Occie combo, so not sure if I simply wasn't lucky all around. The brichardi pair was incredibly sweet, although did stick up for themselves when needed.
 

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CichlidWhisperer said:
If I wanted to put the brichardi in with calvus and Occies, how big a tank would I need? Or is it simply not a good idea irrespective of size....
Six foot tank, minimum.
 

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I meant that if you really wanted the catfish, then gobies would be a decent tankmate for them in a 30 gallon with both species potentially breeding. I'm not suggesting keeping cats with shellies. I have a group of WC S. multipunctatus, and they know what shells are and what kind of snacks they should be looking for.

Paracyps would be good for a 36" or longer tank. If you are looking at a 4ft tank, why not get a 40-long ? Or a 55? Once you are up to the 55, you can keep non-jumbo cyps nicely. I would hesiate keeping a beauty like callochromis in a tank with occies: competition for bottom territory could end badly.

Paracyps, calvus and occies would be nice mix, and could be done in the 36" or longer tanks.

My take on WC vs TR: I'll get TR when I can, WC if I need to. In an overly broad stereotype, WC fish are going to have more exotic diseases, be stressed from long travel, be of unknown health/longevity, going to be more assertive/aggressive/predatory, and have no idea what to think of the tiny glass box we're shoving them into.

If you are stocking heavily, then get TR. The difference in sellability between "F1" fry and "TR" fry is small. So, for general breeding purposes it is not necessary to get WC.

Just buy your stock from a reputable seller and realize that TR might be easier.
 

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So I have definitely decided that I want a pair of inkfin Calvus, some L. Ocellatus (maybe 1 male and 3 female), and some P. nigripinnis (not sure exactly how many would work well.) But now I am also thinking about a pair of J. dickfeldi midnight. Could I do all these in a 55 gallon tank or am I better off sticking with 3 species?
 

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The dickfeldi will tussle with the occies, you can try it but you may have more luck with something like J. transcriptus.
 
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