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Multis and Brichardis in 70L?

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Hey guys, i am planning on getting a new tank but I only have the space for max a 70L tank (about 18.5-19 gallons). The dimensions of the tank are 24 x 12 x 16 inches. Anyway, I really want to try African cichlids. I know that my choices are rather limited as most African cichlids require a larger tank then mine. I knew that shell dwellers would work nice in a tank my size. Here in Australia shell dwellers are generally very expensive, anywhere from $30-$50 generally. However I know that I don't have many other options so i decided on getting a few multis which I am very excited for. As I was doing some research I saw a species that really caught my eye - N Brichardi. This is such a mesmerizing fish and I am still in awe about how beautiful it is lmao. It there any way that I may be able to house a small colony (around 4-6 to begin with) of N multifaciatus and a pair of N Brichardi in my tank? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks!!
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I would want at least a 30" tank for brichardi and even with a larger tank (30" long) I would do the brichardi only...no shellies.
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Did you consider some of the smaller julidochromis species? I kept a single pair of transcriptus (along with some community fish) in a 20g, 24" tank and they did great. I had read that I could keep more than one pair of shellies in a 24" tank, but when I kept them, it turned out that one pair of N. multifasciatus claimed the entire floor of the tank. N. brichardi are very beautiful and easy to keep, but I agree they are a bit big for a 24" tank. I had mine in a 55g. With enough space, they got along great with other non-territorial fish (yellow labs, giant danios, probably some others), but they were definitely territorial and if the tank was a lot smaller I doubt it would have been as peaceful.
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I would want at least a 30" tank for brichardi and even with a larger tank (30" long) I would do the brichardi only...no shellies.
Did you consider some of the smaller julidochromis species? I kept a single pair of transcriptus (along with some community fish) in a 20g, 24" tank and they did great. I had read that I could keep more than one pair of shellies in a 24" tank, but when I kept them, it turned out that one pair of N. multifasciatus claimed the entire floor of the tank. N. brichardi are very beautiful and easy to keep, but I agree they are a bit big for a 24" tank. I had mine in a 55g. With enough space, they got along great with other non-territorial fish (yellow labs, giant danios, probably some others), but they were definitely territorial and if the tank was a lot smaller I doubt it would have been as peaceful.
Hey Knut, I did actually consider julis and tbh I prefer them over Brichardi but I thought that because they tend to hang lower in the water column then Brichardi that they may display more aggression with the Shellie’s. However, if this is not the case then I would love add some nice rock work on one side of the tank and keep a pair of transcriptus.
Hey Knut, I did actually consider julis and tbh I prefer them over Brichardi but I thought that because they tend to hang lower in the water column then Brichardi that they may display more aggression with the Shellie’s. However, if this is not the case then I would love add some nice rock work on one side of the tank and keep a pair of transcriptus.
I think you're going to have to choose one substrate-dwelling species. From what I remember the transcriptus also claimed a bottom territory that was 12-18", so there wouldn't be room for another bottom-dwelling pair. I don't think it's realistic to expect them to stay on the side of the tank and not claim territory on the bottom.
I think you're going to have to choose one substrate-dwelling species. From what I remember the transcriptus also claimed a bottom territory that was 12-18", so there wouldn't be room for another bottom-dwelling pair. I don't think it's realistic to expect them to stay on the side of the tank and not claim territory on the bottom.
Ok thanks. what in your experience was more interesting to watch? I want something that i will be able to watch and not get bored of. I have heard that shellies have very fun behavior to watch but I haven't heard too much about J transcriptus behaviour
So this is 100% personal preference, but I liked transcriptus better. If you get them a pile of rocks, they will flit in and out of the rocks, follow the curvature of the pile, defend their territory, and just kinda be busy doing things. I may also have sour grapes for the multis because I had all these plans about arranging the shells so that I could fit more than one pair, but then I ended up with a nasty male that just drove everyone else away and made life unpleasant for everyone else. I also didn't particularly care for the color of the multis, they kinda just looked brown to me. But this is just my experience, I know that lots of others love them.

You also aren't limited to just transcriptus, even if they are the only cichlid in the tank. They will hang out at the bottom of the tank, but I always had something else going on in the tank. Dwarf rainbowfish worked well for me (I really liked the Celebes rainbowfish, Marosatherina ladigesi). Smaller danios would be fine, livebearers, etc. As long as it's not too nippy or delicate and doesn't come from very acidic water it would probably be OK. There's lots of options.
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Your tank is to small for a multi species setup. N multifacitus, similis or brevis would work well. Julies are fun but you will be able to house more shellies than julies. Julies also prey on shellie fry. They are also more aggressive than the three shellies I recommend.
I have a N multifacitus colony in a 72in x 12in x 21in 90g with a colony of J regani. I know of other hobbyists who keep them together in 36in x 18in x 12in 40g tanks.
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I think fishguy meant too small for more than one species but good for multifasciatus. (y)
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I agree with @fishguy1978: you can keep shell dwellers and Julidochromis together, but that's unlikely to work in a small tank. This is a 48" x 12" x17" tank that contains three breeding groups (left, center, and right) of J. ornatus plus several pairs of N. multifasciatus. The adult ornatus don't bother much with the Multi fry- they're too busy breeding and defending their territories- but once the J. ornatus young put on some size, then they will prey on the Multi fry. That's not necessarily a bad thing unless you have a way to sell the inevitable abundance of Multi fry.

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In terms of which are fishes are more interesting, I agree with @knut_ that this is largely a matter of personal taste. Multi's are cute with their small size, constant digging, and ritualized aggression, but my favourite shell dweller is N. brevis. Brevis form very stable pair bonds, with the much larger male defending a single shell (usually) that contains his tiny mate. N. brevis is also very pretty-

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The one shell dweller I would avoid at this point is Lamprologus ocellatus, because you're just asking for trouble with such aggressive fishes in a 20-gallon tank.

That said, there is nothing quite like a breeding group of Julidochromis, with fry of various sizes cohabiting a territory with their parents. And Julidochromis are largely unconcerned with gravity, so you will find them swimming at odd angles, even upside down, amongst the rockwork. For me, a tank of Julidochromis, especially my favourite, J. ornatus (below) is hard to beat for interest value.

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Yes, sorry. The tank is to small for more than one species but perfect for multies.
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Hey guys, I really like the Brichardi so is it possible to just have a pair of them (nothing else)?If that's not possible i think i will get a pair of Julidochromis Transcriptus. They are such beautiful fish but I also want to be to breed them and have like a little colony going on with their parents until they are large enough to sell them them. The most readily available and cheap shell dweller near me are Brevis. I found a website selling 5 for $115 and i also really like them. However If i am able to have a little colony going on (i will sell of any fry before they get big enough to start competing for territory) with the Julis then I think I will go for them. If i do go for the Brichardi or Julis how would i go about getting a monogamous pair? this is what i'm thinking - I add plenty of caves and rockwork and have plenty of hiding places, then I purchase a group of 4-6, let them pair of then return the rest?

Ok so here is my current stocking possibilities, 1 being my most preferred
1. 2x Neolamprologus Brichardi
2. 2x Julidichromis Transcriptus
3. 5x Neolamprologus Brevis

P.S beautiful tanks and fish fishguy1978 & sir_keith
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I don't think this is a "yes or no" kind of question. For the brichardi, you will likely not see the range of natural behavior, including cooperative defense of the nest by the fry, that you would be able to see in a bigger tank. You would get more natural behavior out of the brevis or transcriptus, as the smaller tank is more suited to their needs. Transcriptus protect their fry for some time, so a little family where you remove the fry occasionally would work. I think where you take it from here is up to you.

I was recommended to get more like 6-8 transcriptus to let them pair. 4 sounds a little on the low end to me just based on the probabilities of getting females and males.
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If you really like the Brichardi you can put a small colony of them in a 30 gal maybe 5 to start. they will breed and before you know it you will have many more. I agree with every one else about not combining species. Brichardi get very aggressive when protecting fry. They will attack even much larger fish so they would certainly not tolerate shell dwellers.
If you really like the Brichardi you can put a small colony of them in a 30 gal maybe 5 to start. they will breed and before you know it you will have many more. I agree with every one else about not combining species. Brichardi get very aggressive when protecting fry. They will attack even much larger fish so they would certainly not tolerate shell dwellers.
Hello xrayutoo, thanks for the input, however I currently only have enough space for a 2 foot tank.
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