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I really like all of the placidochromis species like the Electra, white Lip, VC 10 and star sapphire. Just wanted to see if anyone kept them together in the same tank and if it's possible since they are more on the peaceful side compare to other Haps.

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I have an Electra, VC-10 and Star Sapphire in my 125 peacock and hap tank, the VC-10 being the biggest. They all seem to get along great.
 

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Thank you Hartbreak, do you night telling me how big are they and if the grew up together as Juvenile or you brought as adult?

Can you also tell me what other Hap you have in the tank?

I currently have 3 inch Venustus, 2.5 Star Sapphire and wanted to buy a 5 inch Electra, 5 inch Mdoka, 5 inch VC 10 and a 4 inch Intermedius to add to the tank.
 

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PEACOCKS
1 Aulonocara sp Sunburst Peacock M
2 Aulonocara (Rubescens) Rubescent Peacock M
1 Aulonocara jacobfreibergi(Undu Reef) Lemon Jake M

1 Aulonocara baenschi (nkhomo) Benga Peacock M
1 Yellow OB Peacock Yellow/Blue OB M
1 Aulonocara maulana Bicolor 500 M
1 Aulonocara maylandi Sulfur Head M
1 Aulonocara stuartgranti (Ngara) Flametail M

HAPS
1 Champsochromis caeruleus Trout Cichlid
1 Lethrinops sp. "Red Cap" (Itungi) M
1 Otopharynx lithobates Yellow Blaze M
1 Otopharynx sp. Spots M
1 Placidochromis electra Deep Water Hap M
1 Placidochromis sp. "Chuck" Star Sapphire M
1 Placidochromis milomo VC-10 M
1 Protomelas sp. "Spilonotus Tanzania" M
1 Protomelas sp. "Steveni Taiwan Reef M
1 Protomelas taeniolatus Red Empress M
1 Sciaenochromis fryeri(Maleri Is.) Iceberg Ahli M

FRONTOSA
2 Cyphotilapia frontosa 6 stripe Frontosa
2 Cyphotilapia gibberosa (Mpimbwe)

CATFISH
1 Auchenoglanis sp. Bouche "Geoffrey" Giraffe Catfish

The VC10 is approx 7", the star Sapphire about 6" as is the Taiwan Reef. The rest are between 4-5". I added them in groups of 3-5 fish over the past 9 months. The 2 biggest A-holes are the Taiwan Reef and the OB.
 

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In this tank over the past year I have lost the following fish due to aggression. 1 male red shoulder peacock, 1 male blue dolphin, and 1 male venustus who was a bit undersize and kept challenging the Taiwan Reef (who at the time was the largest fish) to be tank boss.
 

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Thank you so much, really appreciate the info. Half of your list are the fish I have on my final list, except I will have more Haps than Peacocks since I am moving all my peacocks to an all male peacock tank. I am going to give it a try then.
 

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Right now I have a lot of peacock and Haps in my 125, the plan is to move all my peacocks to their own tank once it's cycled.
Then I will have these fish left in the tank, mostly 3 inches except a few.
Red Empress
Redfin Borleyi
Dragonblood
Albino Dragonblood
Taiwan Reef
Albino Taiwan Reef
Venustus
Fusco Hap
Protomelas Spilonotus Mara Rock -5 inch
Sulfurhead Hap Hybrid - 4.5 inch
Placidochromis Phenchilus Tanzania
Iceberg Ahli
OB Peacock - 4.5 inch
Blue Dolphin Morii - 4.5 inch

I will order these all between 5-6 inches, I am thinking they are more peaceful so the bigger size can help them survive better?
Placidochromis Electra
Placidochromis Phenochilus MDoka
VC 10
Tramitichromis (Lethrinops) intermedius - 4 inch
 

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Hi one more question, do you find the Placidochromis too placid or they can handle the other aggressive fish. Do the Placidochromis tolerate each other well?

Thanks and sorry for all these questions
 

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hartebreak, how many years has your mix been together in your tank? Between one year and two years IME is when the conflicts happen and when you can swap out fish to get a good mix. With the big haps it may take even longer since they take longer to mature. You have Placidochromis electra and star sapphire. Do they both color to their full potential? Which is higher on the pecking order? I would guess the electra but I am curious.
 

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Hi DJ
I see this mentioned a lot, so just want to educate myself. I know fish keeping is not exact science and a lot of maybe since each fish has its own personality.

Bearing that in mind, is the reason why most conflicts happens between a year to two because most people get juvenile fish and the fish matured, hence the conflict?

For larger Haps at what size is it safe for o assume it is matured and if I just buy all mature fish, would it be safe to assume if it works after few months, it's working, since they are all matured adult?

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It's never going to be safe to assume anything. If it works out for now, be happy that it does so.... but, it can suddenly stop working as well. It's kind of an ongoing management, and awareness of what is going on in the tank.
 

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Wow, it sounds like a ticking time bomb and no matter what I do, may still not work. In that case I wonder if I should just not do anything with my tank for now since it's working for some reason and rehome fish to my spare tank as needed.

My only concern will be my cycle tank being empty and the bacteria population die off while waiting for trouble fish to show up.
 

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I wouldn't call it a ticking time bomb, as much as always watch your fishes behaviours, and any changes, to prevent such a thing. Don't be lax, and think, it's working out now, so it always will... be diligent, and things should be ok. If they aren't, have a hospital tank ready.
 

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Alright, thanks, I just finished rehome all the MBuna, except one Yellow Lab to my MBiuna tank. Hopefully my peacock tank will be cycle soon and I will move all the peacocks and duplicates. Then I will finally make my 125 Haps tank. Will also by another tank for temporary and hospital tank.

Thank you to all for all the help and info. Hopefully I wouldn't end up rehiring too many but I will have the expectation I will.
 

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I read somewhere that not having any hiding place can lower aggression because there are no territory to defend, is this true? This is how I have currently setup, do you think I should remove some or all of them?

I like having some hardscaping cause it looks nicer but if removing can lower aggression, I am willing to do it.

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Now that most of the MBuna are gone, the remaining Yellow Lab, the Venustus and one of the OB are getting aggressive. Give it a day or two I might have to remove them I guess.
 

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There will always be, and has to be a tank boss. If that fish is the boss, without damaging other fish, or having them all on one side of the tank, or in the corner, consider that a victory.
 

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No one at the corner yet or hiding yet, everyone one still swimming, just the the chasing other fish away from time to time, especially during eating. No female yet, but I am a little concern for the Protomelas Spilonotus Mara Rock. It was eating fine until yesterday. Today it's been less active and not eating. Not sure if I stressed it when I was catching all the MBuna yesterday since I had to remove all the rocks. I don't see anyone harassing it. It kind of just stay at the center of the tank floating and didn't even swim to me when I feed.
 

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I decided to move out most of my fish, so the only one I have now are
2 male OB peacock both 5 inch
1 male yellow lab 4 inch
1 male venustus, I think 3 inch
1 make Fusco I think 3 inch
1 Protomelas Spilonotus Mara Rock male 5 inch
1 Red Shoulder Peacock male
1 German Red Peacock male 5 inch
1 Blue Dolphin Morrii male I think 4.5 inch
1 Red Empress male I think
1 Albino Taiwan Reef no idea male or female
1 Taiwan Reef male I think
1 Redfin Boyeri - might have Popeyes right now.
1 Placidochromis StarcSapphire 2.5inch

That makes it 14 fish right now. I want to add these fish 4-6 inches

Placidochromis Electra 5 inch
Placidochromis Phenochilus MDoka 5 inch
Placidochromis Johnstoni - 4 inch
Placidochromis VC 10 - 5 inch
Dimidichromis Compressiceps Albino - 5 inch

Do you think it will work? Is there fish I need to move out?

I know with all make tank it's work in progress but I want to start with something that has high chance of working.

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From Fogelhund in your other post, this applies to the above list: In the Haps tank, it's probable that the albinos won't compete that well with the other fish.

I like 18 if they mature <= six inches...stock by mature size, not current size. You have lots of fish on that list that mature > six inches, so 14 might be a good number. Or even 12.

IME the empress and borleyi look alike. Maybe swap one of them for the electra and call it stocked.
 
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