labidochromis sp "zebra lundo"
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Yes it is a valid species - it's in Ad Koning's 3rd (and probably 4th) Edition of Lake Malawi Cichlids in their natural habitat.
They look very similar to Lab. chisumulae. Instead of a blue/black barring, it is more solid black.
They look very similar to Lab. chisumulae. Instead of a blue/black barring, it is more solid black.
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Very nice fish FishandFire
Thanks why_spider! That's exactly what I needed. I wasn't getting BAP points for my zebra lundo fry cause they said it wasn't a valid species.
Not a real good pic of my male but you get the idea.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17 ... alundo.jpg
Not a real good pic of my male but you get the idea.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17 ... alundo.jpg
Regarding Labidochromis found at Lundo, Ad Konings' Malawi Cichlids in their natural habitat, 4th edition states the following:
See page 208
Labidochromis sp. "hongi"... The species also occurs at Lundo island....
a few paragraphs later
...a scientifically undescribed species of Labidochromis.... Its color pattern is rather atypical for Labidochromis and the species may be derived from the herbivorious L. lividus like species... Labidochromis sp. "zebra eastern"
There is no mention of Labidochromis zebra and no image of Labidochromis zebra in the text. Futher there is no mention of Labidochromis zebra in either 2nd or 3rd editions of this text.
However, in all three texts Konings identifiys a second Labidochromis at Lundo island. It is Labidochromis caeruleus.
See page 208
Labidochromis sp. "hongi"... The species also occurs at Lundo island....
a few paragraphs later
...a scientifically undescribed species of Labidochromis.... Its color pattern is rather atypical for Labidochromis and the species may be derived from the herbivorious L. lividus like species... Labidochromis sp. "zebra eastern"
There is no mention of Labidochromis zebra and no image of Labidochromis zebra in the text. Futher there is no mention of Labidochromis zebra in either 2nd or 3rd editions of this text.
However, in all three texts Konings identifiys a second Labidochromis at Lundo island. It is Labidochromis caeruleus.
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Two questions here.... is it a real fish? Yes, it is a real fish, that occurs in the wild. Other's have provided a link.rummynose said:
Is it a "valid" species. No, it is not a valid species. The reason it is not a "valid" species, is that it has not been described yet. Once an ichthyologist has reviewed this fish, and published a paper that meets peer review, where the fish was assigned a proper scientific name, then it will become a "valid" species.
That isn't to say that the naturally occurring strain currently lacks legitimacy, rather that it isn't a valid species name. Any fish that has the notation sp., is not a scientifically valid species name. (yet)
What is being asked is to find published material by a person such as Ad Konings the fish L. sp. "zebra lundo" is recognized as a separate species and that this is the name associated with that species. Ex: Hongi is listed in Ad's Back to Nature Guide to Malawi cichlids.
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Yes 'Hongi' is listed in Konigs "Back to Nature", but your first question is...Is this a valid species? and you ask for proof. Proof is a peer reviewed scientific journal, not an intro to lake Malawi and basic ID guide for hobbysists, no disrepect to a good book I own as well. If your question is basically can you in good conscious distribute fry then I think you can since it is already traded as a species.
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So from what I'm gathering here, any species with sp. in the name cannot be used for BAP points - at least for rummynose? IF that is true, then many, if not most, of the Cynotilapia species would be SOL.
That's based on rummynose saying he won't get BAP Points for his fish since it isn't valid, and that Fogelhund said non-valid species have sp. in the name until it is described.
I'm sure glad I don't participate in BAP.... :roll:
That's based on rummynose saying he won't get BAP Points for his fish since it isn't valid, and that Fogelhund said non-valid species have sp. in the name until it is described.
I'm sure glad I don't participate in BAP.... :roll:
rummy can get BAP points but he must identify his fish correctly. BAP program recognizes scientifically identified species as well as putative species. A putative species is one that with name sp. prior to species name. Designation of cf. in name indicates fish looks like xxxx but is not considered putative. Designation cf. is not used much with cichlids.
What authority states Labidochromis sp. "zebra lundo" swims in Lake Malawi?
BAP does not require that a fish be scientifically described but it does require that fish be identified and referenced as to where that identification came from. Rummy is asking who states Labidochromis sp. "zebra lundo" swims in Lake Malawi? IMO, it is established that Konings does not recognize this name in his books.
Regarding scientists, Konings is a scientist. He spends more time recording behaviors in the natural habitat than setting at a bench looking for morphologic differences.
What authority states Labidochromis sp. "zebra lundo" swims in Lake Malawi?
BAP does not require that a fish be scientifically described but it does require that fish be identified and referenced as to where that identification came from. Rummy is asking who states Labidochromis sp. "zebra lundo" swims in Lake Malawi? IMO, it is established that Konings does not recognize this name in his books.
Regarding scientists, Konings is a scientist. He spends more time recording behaviors in the natural habitat than setting at a bench looking for morphologic differences.
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