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I agree with Charles on his point.
Very difficult with ID of juvies by photo, so many variables.
Both of us have raised fry of both, and indeed you can sometimes doubt what you have.

even with adults, my Alpha kitumba fades so bad that he does not look Zaire 90% of the time.

The top pix are blurry and could be anything you asked, mpimbwe, moba or mix.
the bottom 4th pix that is the most clear looks the most mpimbwe or other tanzanian type.
 

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The new pics are more Zaire like, which goes to show you what different pix will do.

Would not be able to get a actual collection point, as i have had all 3 Zaire, and there are members that look identical to the other CP's.
 
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