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Hello

I have had some issues with my new mbuna tank. I think things are pretty settled down now. There are 4 (1:3) rusties, 4 (1:3) Pseudotropheus socolofi "mara point", 5 (1:4 I think) yellow labs, 1 (M I think) Cynotilapia afra (jalo reef), 1 albino ancistrus, and 6 petricola. My question is, how do you know if a fish is dead with all of these rocks in there? The Afras were very small (1" ish) compared to the 2" to 3" size for the other mbunas. I was down to one, which I believe to be the male. He was out and about and eating and I saw him regularly. I haven't seen him in a few days, even at feeding time. I've seen all of the socolofi out at once and all of the labs out at once. I've seen the rusties out but not to a point where I can count all 4 of them.

I've yet to see all 6 petricola out at once, but to be fair they are only about an inch or so long. So maybe they are hiding. THe bulk of the mbuna stay to the right side rock grouping. I see a couple trend toward the opposite side. But not much. This is a 75 gallon tank with lots of rock. 3 canister filters running, an airstone (as much as I hate bubble in a tank the fish seem to like it) and a power head to keep the water moving well.

So how do you know a fish is dead and stuck in the rocks somewhere? There are no "floaters". Do you just assume that if you haven't seen a fish in a few days it may be dead and break the rocks down to try to find everyone?

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Jim
 

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For the mbuna if you don't see every fish eating every day, after a couple of days I would remove the decor. Sounds like for you it is more than one possibly missing?

For the catfish I have removed the decor to check on them so often...even after weeks of not seeing them, and they are always fine.
 

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JimSparks said:
...Do you just assume that if you haven't seen a fish in a few days it may be dead and break the rocks down to try to find everyone?...
Yes. You don't want a carcass lying about.
 

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DJRansome said:
...Sounds like for you it is more than one possibly missing?
1 Afra and maybe a rusty. I've seen 3 of them together swimming around. All the others seem to be intact and doing well. I forgot how frustrating a mbuna tank can be when you first start it up :?
 

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**Updated**

There's a buuuunch of rock in there. So much so that I begin to question if the tank will hold it. Sheesh. But I found everyone. Well almost everyone. The afra is gone. So that leaves me with 4 rusties, 5 yellow labs, 4 socolofi, 6 petricola and 1 bushynose.

The cookie cutters I saw for a 75 gallon seemed to land at about 18 fish or so. I have 13 cichlids. I've got the room as far as bioload. Can I add a few more to bring the total up or should I roll with what I have? I really want to bring the total up but if the consensus is 'no' then i won't.

Thoughts?

Thank you
Jim

Tank details:
• 75 gallons (48x18x16)
• SunSun H303B canister filter (x2)
• SunSun H302 canister filter (x1)
• Powerhead
• Standard air stone
• Substrate: Pool filter sand
• Rocks. Lots and lots of rocks

Water parameters:
• Ammonia (NH3/NH4): 0
• Nitrate (NO3): 5
• Nitrite (NO2): 0
• pH: 7.8
• GH: 8
• KH: 7
• Temperature: 79.8

Fish list:
• 5 x Electric yellow labidochromis caeruleus
• 4 x Iodotropheus sprengerae
• 4 x Pseudotropheus socolofi "mara point"
• 6 x Synodontis petricola
• 1 x Albino ancistrus
 

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I would add females for the rusties and socolofi. And you could replace the Cynotilapia group. Shoot for 20 cichlids (after removing any problem fish as they mature) but limit to 4 species to get the large number of females for each group.
 

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IMO you would be pushing the envelope but I would still try it. 1m:7f. Be sure you like the look of the females (not just in vendor pics) as this has always turned me away from Labeotropheus. I would still add females for the other 2 groups.
 

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One more thing, when I add more females, should I look for females comparable in size or just get the 1' to 2' juvies that are more readily available?
 

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DJRansome said:
Be sure you like the look of the females (not just in vendor pics) as this has always turned me away from Labeotropheus.
Labeotropheus Trewavasae (Chilumba) Ochre: I grew out 10 of these with 10 Kenyi in my 180gal. I didn't like how any of the females looked at adult size nor did I find much other interest in their behavior, etc. Re-homed the whole tank a few months after they were fully grown.
 

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I would not buy 1" fish but 2" should be fine.
 
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