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Has anyone tried this? I was hoping that the really purple bodied strain with red dorsal fins...sometimes sold as 'super red top' or 'red top kimpuna' (I say sometimes because often fish sold as red tops are actually yellow tops with blue body) would co exist with the Haras and Demasoni....otherwise maybe I should switch stocking list to be Demasoni, labs, hara, and Acei 'ngara'...
 

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Conspecifically they seem fine.

The SRT's get a bit bigger and are highly territorial though, you'd need a large tank.

Have you considered Rusties? Similar coloration, only gets 4", much less aggressive. Not sure how they would fair against Demasoni though...

If you're still up in the air, what about rusty, saulosi, and hara? With saulosi, the females are yellow so you wouldn't need labs, which could give you more room for the larger, but more peaceful acei.

I'm still learning about stocking myself so if any of the more experienced members want to set me straight please do so.
 

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Also, to avoid any confusion with any newer members who might be researching this on their own like I did, I am talking about: Iodotropheus sprengerae (Rusty), Pseudotropheus saulosi, and Cynotilapia sp. "hara."

When I was first learning it was always hard for me to follow what fish is what so I just thought it could be helpful to others reading this thread.
 

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Since i have never kept cyno hara only jalo reef , i might be wrong, but I have kept in the past demis and you could have a potential brawl in the making. Both sort of look similiar about the same size and pattern.
 

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I have never really loved the rustys....I'm really partial to the 'Hongi'....the really red tops are sometimes referred to as a German line bred variant...but they show up elsewhere (seems like Germans get credit for line breeding a lot of things)....I have considered Saluosi, but I love the Dems behaviour...having a hard time finding Hara right now, so may be a moot point. Really leaning towards

SRT Hongi 'German line' - Labidochromis sp. 'Hongi'
Electric Yellow lab - Labidochromis Caureleus 'Lions Cove'
White Top Hara - Cynotilapia sp. 'Hara'
Demasoni - Psuedotropheus Demasoni 'pombo rocks'

If the Hongis get too boisterous I'm sure I can unload them somewhere nearby....just worried about inter species breeding
 

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What size tank do you have?

I think if you can get a good line rusty they are similar but I understand, there is nothing quite like those SRT's. They sure are beautiful.

What's so different about saulosi and demasonis in behavior? I've not considered dems before as I'm not partial to monomorphic species, but I'm more than happy to learn more about them and possibly be swayed in their direction.
 

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My tanks footprint is 48" by 15.5"....Demasoni are fascinating in large groups, and they love to explore tiny little nooks and crannies on the rocks and even swim upside down into them...I have had a large group before and they were awesome, i got a bunch of holey rock for them specifically, especially a 40 lb centerpiece that I hope they colonize.

Haras and Demasoni are kept together often with no real issues...it's been theorized by some that though they may look a little similar to us, they are something like photograph negatives to each other.

I feel that if you have the type of Hongi that I am referring to, they are very deep purple bodied, not blue at all, and have fire red backs, they will not look conspecific to the other two. I do agree that the typical 'hongi' fromt the LFS would be regarded as a sexual competitor by at least the alpha demasoni.
 

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Heres a pic of my alpha male Hongi from my breeding group...if you go take a look at the pics in species profiles you'll see a big difference.



IMO it doesn't look anything like a demasoni or white top hara, I was hoping to hear from someone who had tried this mix before.
 

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I was reading up on them and I seemed to get the impression that you need one or a large group? It also seems that there is an extreme ability to overstock them? (people keeping 30+ in a 48" as common?)

Visually, through several YouTube videos I watched, they seemed very interesting, I could just use a bit more info/advice on keeping them before I seriously contemplate uprooting my 1m4f Saulosi slot I have saved :D

I do, however, have an extra 40 long lying around so if I can't make up my mind I'll just make either one it's own species tank in the 40L!
 

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Also, how much do you sell your Hongi fry for? I'm having a hard time finding a decent hongi online and here in WV the community is pretty weak, at least it appears to be, I may not be running in the right crowd. If you are shipping savvy here in the next few months or whenever you can count me more than interested! With a dad like that, I bet your fry are just stellar.
 

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They were stellar fry, but unfortunately that was in the UK and I've moved and all the stock I spent years accumulating was sold or taken back to the LFS....I am trying very hard to find this line bred variant of the Hongi over here...I've heard they have very nice lines from Germany and Sweden, and I'd like to think I helped expand the line a little bit in the UK....but apart from older threads concerning German imports I haven't seen anything fresh...

If I were you, I'd put 15 demasoni and 6 labs in the 40 long, great color show for sure...I had a 3 foot tank where I did that and they bred like wildfire...then you can think about keeping your Saluosi slot and adding some different species.
 

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There are a number of people who have had poor success in keeping Hara with demasoni. Another barred bluish fish in the mix probably won't help.
 

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I guess the 40L is not a very common tank, it actually has the same footprint as a 55, its just not as tall. You could easily stock 3 species of 1m2f or 2 of 1m3-4f (option 2 sounds safer!)

I agree that yellow labs would be a great show but I've kind of taken aim at more of the uncommon cichlids you can't find at a petstore and C.A.R.E.S. fish for a few reasons- I want to know I can sell/find homes for the fry, I don't want to continue to support chain store fish mills, and I want to do my part to keep certain populations alive. This will also be a cursing point when I'm actually trying to find them!

I don't mean to sound like an elitist, eugenics supporter! :D

How much did you sell your fry for when you had them? I'm all for spending a little more money for the real deal, but I don't want to get ripped off if I find them and don't know what a good price for them is.
 

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What Fogel said. Which is what I said, before.

I used to keep Hongi. Your dom. male, when displaying, will become almost as pale as a hara with DARK purple stripes. Beautiful, yes. But asking for trouble.
 

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I have Hongi and Demasoni (but no Hara)....with no problems with aggression...well only a small one. I must look a lot like a Hongi because the little suckers have started biting ME! But as far as fish agression, no problem.

In truth, these two are my favorite fish, and I've been trying to talk myself into buying a couple more of each of them.
 

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The line bred Kimpuna Hongis do not turn pale when displaying, they turn deeper purple and their head becomes even more reddish in tint...

Fogelhund, am I wrong that many have kept Hara and Demasoni together successfully? I seem to remember that Kim who is no longer a mod here used to do it successfully...
 

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I attempted to keep Dems with Hara. The Hara ran a genocide on the Dems. I do however, have success keeping a large male Hongi with my Hara (2m/3f). I've never seen my Hongi get pale, he is very purple and orange. Just to add to the compatibility, I also have a large male Rusty in this tank.
 

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has anyone kept dems with hara then, or am i misremembering completely?
 

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I have kept them together for about 6 months & seems to be working well.

This is in a 180.
 
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