Once again thank you for your reply bk, i joined a pike group on fb and they gave me some good sources to check out also. Very interesting fish to watch always seems likes it hunting going though the plastic plants in the tank. Its in a 75 gallon with a pair of convicts for now. Watching classifieds for a used 120 or 125 for its future tank. Doesnt seem overly aggressive just follows the poor cons around while its gills are flared.