The first one looks a lot like my Haplochromis sp. "thick skin" also called sp. 44. It's a lake Victoria species. Look through the photos in the profile here: http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1546 and see what you think. Mine changes markings a lot. Sometimes he's just kind of an irridescent silvery lavender, with almost no visible bars. Other times the bars are very obvious and there are hints of yellow, red, and green. I've never seen mine in full breeding dress, but as you will see in the profile they can be spectacular.