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Hey guys,

I picked up a trio (1m, 2f) of apistogramma Iniridae and another pair of Atahualpa. If I get these guys breeding as fast as my last pair then a may become one of those people with a bizilion 10 gallon tanks :D

If you have not already, try some apistogramma!
 

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I don't think the A. iniridae will be that cooperative ... even the expert breeders have trouble with that one. It's one of the most blackwater species available. Good luck though. :thumb:
 

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Dwarf,

I did not know they were any harder. Would Cutting my water with RO help? I'm guessing I need a PH of below 6?
 

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One of our local apisto breeders has his Iniridae breeding. He had to drop his PH down to app. 4.6 with a very low TDS reading. I can not find his thread about spawning them unfortunately, just some fry photos.
 

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Seems like some people have no trouble with them and others never have success. I still have to grow mine out, but I can't wait to see if they spawn for me.
 

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no trouble keeping them? or no problem breeding them?
IME, these guys were a breeze to keep, but not a single egg hatched in my hard water when I had them up in Ontario, Canada. They were rare to spawn even, or I missed the spawning each time.
 

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I think ahud might be reading the thread on Apistogramma forums. Most of the guys sharing thier experiences are die hard apisto keepers. Mike Wise provides an interesting bit of info from his experience.
 

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I'm sure they are difficult, I will grow them out and if I don't have any luck I'll pass them along and try something different :D
 

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im sure youll make it work. like i said before try out the leaves method. i know that will lead to some serious black water action. u can order leaves straight from SA/CA or just use dried oak leaves.
 

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You can use either RO or rain water to help lower the PH of your tank, and using certain leaves will acidify your water further. I use 50%-50% rain water and tap water, then add one ketapang leaf (Indian almond leaf) each week when I do a water change. One leaf last about three weeks in my tanks as the otocinclus and rams horn snails like to snack on them.
 

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I had iniridae spawn once, what a P.I.T.A that was but they are definitely on my list of top 10 favorite Apistos. The atahualpa should be no problem at all, the only issue I had with them was aggression from the female. Good luck!
 

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I'm going to admit defeat :oops: The two Iniridae died. I could not get them to eat good, so I think they just wasted away. The male eats and looks to be in good health. I think I will pass the male on and try for an easier to keep species.

I already have two pairs of atahualpa. They are by far my favorite so far.

What are some of you guys favorite? I want something that will breed in my water which is ph of 6, DH and KH 1-3.
 

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The agassizii super complex is by far my favourite group of apistos. There are so many good looking location and colour morphs.

Locally many hobbiests have had gret success with breeding panduro. I have found species from the regani complex and cruzi subcomplex relatively straight forward to care for and breed. Most of the cruzi subcomplex species are stunning fish.

However, if you're not keeping most apistos in the optimum conditions, they can be hard to breed and with many hard to keep alive long term. A fine sand substrate or a mix of sand and peat substrate is a must, so to is soft acidic water. Tank scape is important, but we have found there is a pretty wide range of scapes that the fish will live in comfortably.

If you can't get the water right, you are likely to struggle. A couple of our locally well respected hobbiest and specialist LFS have a belief that most soft water dwarf cichlids will develop intestinal and/or bacterial problems (and die in the short to medium term) if kept in water too hard for them. From my own experiences, I agree with them.
 

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I thought my water is considered pretty soft and acidic? From what I read there are plenty of species to choose from besides the fish that need super low acidity. Anything that needs 3-4 PH I want to stay away from.
 

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If you want to stay away from the species that prefer really soft water, which is quite unstable in aquariums anyway, then you might want to check out apistogramma .com and find out what species are from white or clear water habitats that may be available to you.

My all time favorite is Biotoecus opercularis not an Apisto but still an awesome dwarf. They reputedly need very soft water to reproduce but my wild group never did until I used a 70/30 mix of ro and tap to get a ph of 6.8 and a bit higher tds.



A lot of it is just experimenting with water conditions until you find something they like. The loss of your iniridae may have been due to handling while being captured, shipped, ect. ect.
 

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Commercial strains of A. cacatuoides are usually the easiests of the apistos to keep and spawn. However a lot of people do not like thier look.

My personal favourite are A. agassizii. There are so many different wild locational variants and colour morphs, and there are quite a few good looking commercial line bred strains as well.

A lot of local beginners have had good success with A. panduro and A. baenschi.

Apistos from the Regani complex appear to be quite forgiving as well, locally hobbiests have been having success with A. cruzi, A. eunotus, A. masken, A. sp. "Pebas" ("Morado"), and A. sp. "Papagei"
 

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I spawned f1 Atahualpa with no problems. I feel like I can handle a bit more than the commercial strains (I don't like them TBH), but want to avoid fish that even the pros have trouble with. I already have a RO/DI from my saltwater days, so I can start playing with RO mixes.

I'm ordering some indian almond leaves soon too.
 

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ahud, you live in s carolina, pick up dried oak leaves, they work just as well as almond leaves and are free, just remember pick up only the ones that have fallen off the tree and are dried, it worked for me, too bad i don't have oak trees here
 
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