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I've tried to wade through all 69 pages of this thread and I did get more than 1/2 way through, I wish this were a whole forum with separate threads!

In any case, here's one of my 4 rams, if you read my thread on behavior, this is the "defending" ram:





Thoughts? I know you must all be bored of this game but... pretty please?[/img]

Ah, here's the post I tried to submit to the Bolivian club. Sorry! :oops:
 

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I can blow up the picture later today as it's in a raw file at home. I don't know the age of the fish, I've only had them for over a week. If I had to guess, I'd say 6 months at the youngest.
 

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I took some video last night, I apologize in advance for its poor quality. Turn off the volume, all you hear is crunching and crackling. :oops:

#1 is the Bolivian that backs into #2's territory and vent is barely visible. My uneducated guess, from what the forum has said and what I've read is that #1 is a male, #2 & #3 are females?

Ram #1:

Ram #2:

Ram #3:
 

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Dutch Dude said:
2 is definitely a female! The other two is hard to say on this vid. Fish number 3 is quit stressed and does display a lot of black dots. Probably he or she is sub dominant and underneath the picking order.
Yeah, sorry about the bad video, it's an oldish camera and I'm no pro.

I was thinking of moving the 2 less dominant Bolivians to another tank to see what would happen between #1 & #2.
 

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I believe the Bolivian in the photo above is a dominant female, ovipositor appeared and was much larger, more round than anyone else in the tank.

I moved them to another tank along with a large watersprite we fondly call "Medusa" because it quickly takes over the tank. After the couple had the day to settle in, I snuck up to watch their behavior, they're still skittish with the move.

Lo and behold there were tiny gleaming eyes darting around under Medusa! In the other tank we removed them from lives a trio of honey gourami so I'm not 100% sure who's fry these are. They are verging on microscopic, bbs seems too big for them so I gave the a protein-based powdered flake which they swam after.

It'll be interested to see how they develop, if they survive.

Have a cigar!

Tabatha

Edit: BTW, I managed to net a male Endler with one of the Bolivians and now have a new method of sexing them... Yup, the Endler chases the female, tries to sneak up behind her and breed. Goof ball!
 

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It took about a month to pair up but my Bolivians started spawning yesterday afternoon. After pushing an apple snail off her rock, we decided to get out the video camera and tripod.

Video 1:
2 minutes, the parent fend off a spixi snail and platinum angelfish threatening the safety of their future fry.

Video 2:
11 seconds, a close up of the spawning rock and eggs

Thanks for looking!

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Thanks Dutch Dude & D-007!

The wigglers started popping up early this morning, Mom & Dad picked them off the spawning rock, swirled them around in their mouths then spit them into a shallow dug out area at the base of the rock. At the moment, they're taking turns digging another, much bigger hole just to the left of their current home. There aren't very many, perhaps 10 - 15, I don't expect them them to make it but it sure is exciting to see them get this far!

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They're in their second home already but not the big hole they're still working on, this is another shallow hole. I have some bbs which I'll get started tomorrow. I expect they'll be free swimming by Monday. We'll have to get those first bites too!

Thanks!

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They're excavating their 4th hole but have only used 2 so far. The wigglers are really active -- do they ever rest? At first glance it looking like a vibrating mass then one will pop up and out of the hole, one of the parents will rescue it and pop it back in with the siblings. The should become free swimming tomorrow!
 

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Fry are now 4 days old, egg almost gone, got first meal today of Hikari first bites, bbs still cooking. Lots of tiny silver eyes and wiggly tails but still not free swimming. Mom and Dad have moved them into the big hole (#5) and are doing a GREAT job! :thumb:
 

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Came home from work today and our little ones are swimming!!! :fish:

When you see them in the nest, it doesn't look like many but we may have somewhere between 25 and 30 fry! Mom and Dad have done a fantastic job so far, my fingers are crossed that perhaps some of these can actually make it to adulthood!

At what point do the parents loose interest in their fry? Is there a time when I should consider removing them to prevent them from being eaten?

YIPEEE!

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Well, I'm sorry to report that our little free swimmers disapeared last Saturday. I went out with a friend for the day and when I returned, they were all gone. :(

They should be spawning again next weekend-ish. I have a 5.5g tank I could put the parents and fry in although I think it's a little small?
 

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I find my Bolivians are really, really healthy, especially in comparison to the Mikrogeophagus ramirezi I have in another tank. This is my 3rd group of M. ramirezi, lost my 1st and 2nd. In this 3rd group I started with 5 individuals, 2 have since died *after* coming out of quarantien, I've dipped the remaining rams because of what appears to be itch; 2 look much better but one doesn't look like he's going to make it. This will be my last attempt with this species. :(
 

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The first batch was from a lfs but locally bred. The second batch was probably from asia and this third batch is from a breeder, purchased at a club auction.

My water PH is 7.5 and average GH is 8. I perform weekly water changes of 25%. Planted tank.

This past week I was dosing Seachem ParaGuard after seeing them scratch but unfortunately it didn't do much good. I had also turned off the filter after dosing for about 1/2 an hour and turned on the bubbler. Turned up the heat to 30C.

It's very, very discouraging when it keeps happening no matter what you do to try and help them. I hate seeing them suffer.
 

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I'll have to get some peat for the filter and metronidazole. I worked at a veterinary hospital for 6+ years so I'm familiar with most common drugs. I hope I'm not too late!

BTW, you're the very first person who's told me they need the same conditions as Discus!

Thanks!
 

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I tested the PH in the ram's tank, it's currently 7.2. I have a very large piece of mopani in that tank which is still leaching tannins, it appears it's also softening the water.

I set up a 5.5g with heater and sponge filter then syphoned water from the 25g and put it in the 5.5g, added Sulfathiazole, let it run for a bit then added the three remaining rams, even though 2 of the 3 seem much better.

I tried to get peat at my lfs but they were all out. Will try again this weekend.
 
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