South American Cichlids • Make my Bolivian Ram sexing thread a sticky!!?? Please vote!

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Make it a sticky!!!???

YES!!
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83%
NO!!
12
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Total votes : 71

Make my Bolivian Ram sexing thread a sticky!!?? Please vote!

Postby blairo1 » Thu May 03, 2007 4:41 pm

Ok guys and gals, so I've recieved a nice number of votes FOR this article in this short space of time, so that's pretty cool.

PLEASE NOTE!!!!

I am no longer trying to get this sticky'd. I've had a back and forth with Dave (mod) and he's pointed me in the right direction.

So?!

I will be submitting my sexing thread, as well as a few other pics that I think would make a nice addition to the Profiles, in the hope that THIS thread has shown that it would be a useful addition to the Profiles section.

So please continue to vote YES or NO, on the understanding that I will be using this thread to show the popularity (or not) of the article to encourage those in power to add it to the profiles, NOT to sticky it.

Thank you again for all of your votes so far and your consideration of this matter. I want it to be absolutely crystal clear that this was not intended in any way, shape or form as a bash on this site or any of it's mods/members.


Blair.


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Ok,

Let me try and help you out in determining sex. Take into account the only real way of knowing is venting them or seeing them spawn, the other details I will show you are just generalisations of what you would expect in differences between the sexes....

First up, ventrical differences:
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Notice how the males tapers back and is considerably smaller whereas the females points more downwards and is visibly fatter.

You can also see the difference in the length and shape of the pelvic fins, although this is not a sure-fire way of telling it can be an indicator.

Picture A. is of a female, I'm pointing this out first as you can see here that the females dorsal looks similar to what one would expect from a male:
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You can clearly see her extended ray on the dorsal fin. So I'm not saying this is a way to sex them. You can see for yourself that females too can express these predominantly male characteristics.

Picture B. is also of a female:
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Here too you can see the extended pelvic fins that you could expect on a male....

Point made?

Now onto the comparisons (generalisations, whatever you want to call it.)
With that said, picture C. is of a male - you can clearly see the extended 3rd and 4th rays on his dorsal fin:
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Picture D. shows a "typical" female dorsal fin, you can see the progressive slope that I with no particular spine elongated.
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Picture E. shows a "typical" female head shot. You can see it is more rounded when compared to Picture F.
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Picture F. is the male head shot:
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Pic G. showing the extended rays on the Males tail fin:
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Pic H. shows the "typical" female tail and as you can see, even they can possess slightly extended rays:
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Like I said other than venting there is no guaranteed way of knowing, however the differences you can see above (however slight) can help.

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Postby CiChLiD LoVeR128 » Thu May 03, 2007 5:13 pm

Should definately be made into a sticky!! :thumb: Come on mods!!! :x
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Postby Dutch Dude » Thu May 03, 2007 5:36 pm

Off course a sticky,....in the last couple of months Blair and some others had to dig up the "old" discussions with this info time after time after time! Lately there is much interest in the Bolivians and in fact they make a good specie for people new in the hobby or for people who wants a friendly small cichlid appropriate for the community tank or in a specie only or planted tank. New owners of Bolivians often have problems with determine the sex of the fish. Blair his post has proven to be very useful!!! This post should be a sticky and in fact it's surprising that it isn't already! So mods,...pleas put it where it belongs,.....with the sticky! :)

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Postby blairo1 » Thu May 03, 2007 6:35 pm

Thanks guys :).

I appreciate the votes so far, please, keep 'em coming!!
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Postby BlackShark11k » Thu May 03, 2007 6:44 pm

Defianetly a sticky. I really never knew, i just guessed...
PS i Guess: Sticky! Sticky! Sticky! I voted yes by the way!
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Postby blairo1 » Thu May 03, 2007 7:13 pm

:lol: I want to know who voted NO, what are your reasons?
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Postby blairo1 » Thu May 03, 2007 7:35 pm

Oh yeah and I want to make a point, I'm not bashing on any mods here, that's not what I want this to be about, it's purely an attempt to get it stickied so it's there to help people indefinately....

That is all I want.

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Postby straitjacketstar » Thu May 03, 2007 8:07 pm

Stickify!!! :thumb:
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Postby Miguel » Thu May 03, 2007 8:33 pm

I voted yes. This should be stickied if there is no forum for sexing Cichlids.
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Postby CiChLiD LoVeR128 » Thu May 03, 2007 9:53 pm

Oh yeah and I want to make a point, I'm not bashing on any mods here, that's not what I want this to be about, it's purely an attempt to get it stickied so it's there to help people indefinately....

That is all I want.



Oh I know I just was being goofy and added that last part to the message! :lol: I wasnt mad! :)
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Postby blairo1 » Fri May 04, 2007 7:24 am

Two votes for no without reason, why is that.....

I think we may have some lurking mods/admin who don't want to deal with the administrative work :lol: :lol: :lol:.....

:P

Seriously, how can you NOT want a thread that clearly shows how to sex a particular fish, stickied. Are you against the helping of others? Or just a grumpy old git :lol:.

Seriously, I want reasons WHY if you say no, that's why I put it there, so that people who don't think it should can say so, and explain why......

If you can't explain your reason for voting NO (ie I'm sure that someone has voted no out of spite) then carry on, I can't be bothered with people like that anyway ;).
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Postby blairo1 » Fri May 04, 2007 2:09 pm

Going well so far! Thanks for the votes guys and gals, I really appreciate the support and hope we can get this thing stickied to continue helping others!!!

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Postby macclellan » Fri May 04, 2007 2:26 pm

blairo1 wrote:Seriously, how can you NOT want a thread that clearly shows how to sex a particular fish, stickied. Are you against the helping of others? Or just a grumpy old git :lol:.


I can think of plenty of reasons why not. One being that if sexing every fish were stickied, There would be dozens of stickies here in SA discussion. A better idea might be a sticky about sexing SA cichlids in general, with links to appropriate species articles.

Have you contacted the mods about this?

I'd suggest that you try and get your info added to the species article. That is a more appropriate place for this kind of info that won't clutter up the forum.
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Postby blairo1 » Fri May 04, 2007 2:45 pm

:lol: Mainly because I've contacted the Admin, on at least two occasions and didn't even get a response.

I would much rather have it added to the species article, but as I said, no one came back to me on it, so next best thing is to have it as a sticky. I can appreciate that there COULD be hundreds of stickies, but how many people have actually gone to the effort that I went to, to get clear, easy to distinguish shots like these, to explain how to sex their fish etc......

Seriously, I get what you're saying, but not everyone is going to be submitting sexing threads for stickying because let's face it, most people don't go that far with it, tending to explain it verbally..........Not only that but why would they want to sticky a thread unless it had decent pics and explanations to go with it, not every tom dick and harry is going to do that.

I like the idea of a Sexing SA's sticky with links off to my document, that could work equally well. As long as it's put somewhere that people can find easily then I don't care, seriously, I'm not one to work out the logistics of it, I just want this info put on the web because it's obviously needed quite frequently.

If you got asked as many times as I do how to sex these increasingly popular fish and you'd gone to the effort to make a post like I did, wouldn't you be a little pissed off that it wasn't being used to it's potential.....

Think about that for a minute ;).
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Postby macclellan » Fri May 04, 2007 2:48 pm

Points taken. ;)

For what it is worth, I voted "yes" yesterday. :)
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