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I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:35 pm

I know I am going to get a barrage of questions and a slap on the hand or two. But I feel more for the fish than to be too proud. And yes I have asked for help on this but didn't follow everything because I got injured the first time I spent 4 hours trying to take out fish from the 240 gallon tank. Ok that is all of the whining. I am going to tell it like it is and take the heat.

I just read the library article here on ICH after the fact!

I have two main problems. The 75 gallon tank has Pearl Ocellatus and Rainbow Red Lazer fish. I am extremely busy with personal matters..but I noticed today that the Rainbows were dying (2 out of 10) and looking at them closely I noticed no top fin or mostly looked raggedy and some had ICK. I was shocked. I quickly got out some metro and dosed with Metro before I left thinking that was what they needed. When I came home I noticed this is not the medication for ICK and I should have turned up the heat and used salt..haven't read the rest yet because I am not sure I should do this after giving them the wrong med.

Problem two is 240 gallon tank. I have written for advice previously about this. I have two sets of males of the same species that are aggressive with each other. I had them in the 75 gallon tank and then I got a 240 gallon tank hoping it would help them. I hear it is easier to care for etc. in 240 gallon. Well these two pair one Williamsi Blue Lips pair and one Snow white Socolofi pair, still were aggressive and perhaps more so. I removed one of each pair and put them in the sump for the time being until I can locate another home. Meanwhile the non-dominant Williamsi Blue Lips still in the large tank stopped eating. I got advice to take him out and treat him. However, with what happened that I explained in the first paragraph, I just threw up my hands and said..if he dies he dies. I was hoping that over time it might have been stress and he would calm down and get better. Yes I know that I was advised this was a serious situation for him to not eat even though hje looks ok. Now is he still living and acting ok except he is paler and leaving the area at feeding time. After a few days of this I could not stand it any longer so I picked up the only real medication I could find at Petsmart which was Erythromycin so out of desperation I got it (pretty expensive when you consider a 240 gallon tank). I also notice that the fish in the 240 gallon tank are all scratching their sides with sand. Lots of flashing in the water.

Now I don't know what to do and should I continue giving the treatments of the meds as I have?
I really need help and wish it would all go away and my fish would enjoy the tanks. But sometimes I feel like their worst enemy.
Where do I go from here?
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:45 pm

By the way when I came home...the rainbows no longer have the white spots so maybe it worked ok?
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:09 pm

No two of them were hiding. The two Rainbows look to be on their last leg. Dark looking too.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby DJRansome » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:29 pm

Don't beat yourself up...just go from here and do the best you can.

Keep the heat and salt in the ich tank...the rainbows may be a lost cause but hopefully you can prevent the occies from getting ich. Treat 3 weeks after you see the last spot on any fish.

Stop the erythromycin and provide test results for the water in the 240G. Although it has never happened to me, erythromycin can harm your beneficial bacteria.

Once your water is good, with ammonia and nitrite = zero and nitrate = 10ppm then you can decide on treating the williamsi.

I find the smaller tanks (75G) easier to care for than the larger tank (mine is 125G) BTW. I have never had trouble with the small tanks (10G etc.) like you hear, but it does seem logical.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:36 pm

I was hoping you would answer. So stop both the metro and the Erythromycin? Can the fish tolerate the high heat?
btw the Nitrates yesterday were 40 in the 240 tank (much better than off the charts). I am going to test both tanks now
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby DJRansome » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:14 pm

I thought you were doing the metro in the 75G and erythromycin in the 240G.

Stop the erythromycin. Metro would be expensive in a 240G. I would definitely change 50% of the water in the 240G at this time.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:15 pm

240 gallon tank:
Ph- 7.6
Ammonia- 0
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- 160

75 gallon tank:
Ph- 8
Ammonia- 0.25
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- 80
I did a 50% water change yesterday on the 75 gallon because the Rainbows stopped schooling.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:19 pm

DJRansome wrote:I thought you were doing the metro in the 75G and erythromycin in the 240G.

Stop the erythromycin. Metro would be expensive in a 240G. I would definitely change 50% of the water in the 240G at this time.


Yes you are right..I did Metro in the 75 gallon and Erythromycin in the 240...this was opposite of what I should have done yes?

Today I was only able to find the ER but I still thought I was doing right.

I hope my thermometers can get the water temp up to the 90 mark in the 75 gallon tank. Should I go shead with that treatment on the 75 gallon?

Let me know what you think about the 240 gallon...50% water change?
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby DJRansome » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:22 pm

Change 50% in both the tanks. Do another 50% every morning and night until the result in each tank is 10ppm.

When you change 50% you remove half the nitrate. So you would expect 80 nitrate tonight, 40 nitrate in the morning, 20 nitrate tomorrow night and 10 nitrate Friday morning.

Then see how the fish are doing. Clean water can only help.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:25 pm

I want to add that I bought a cichlid tolerant catfish at a local pet store..the Fish room...maybe the catfish introduced it..probably so. And the catfish died right away never to be seen once in the tank...and no I did not put the water in the bag into the tank lol.
The catfish was put into the 75 gallon tank where the ich now is.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:26 pm

DJRansome wrote:Change 50% in the both tanks. Do another 50% every morning and night until the result in each tank is 10ppm.

When you change 50% you remove half the nitrate. So you would expect 80 nitrate tonight, 40 nitrate in the morning, 20 nitrate tomorrow night and 10 nitrate Friday morning.

Then see how the fish are doing. Clean water can only help.


Should I stop both medications and should I raise the temp and put in the salt in the 75 gallon tonight?
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby DJRansome » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:31 pm

Yes after your water change. Raise the temp and add the salt gradually...some tonight and the rest over the day tomorrow.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby Mudkicker1 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:07 pm

DJRansome wrote:I find the smaller tanks (75G) easier to care for than the larger tank (mine is 125G) BTW. I have never had trouble with the small tanks (10G etc.) like you hear, but it does seem logical.


DJ, can you expand on this statement please? In what way do you find 75 easier to care for?

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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby DJRansome » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:11 pm

Quicker water changes. Easier to reach into and lift rocks out off. Less to clean. And always handy to be able to separate fish in separate tanks rather than having just one big one.

I've never experienced the instability of a smaller tank...less water and quicker fluctuations in water chemistry. I was expecting it but have never experienced it.
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Re: I feel pretty upset and lacking..

Postby naturlvr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:16 pm

I just removed the water from the 75 gallon. I lost another Rainbow..the darkened one and notice that a lot of the rainbows have been pooping thread of white poop..That means metro needed right?
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