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Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Wed May 05, 2021 10:28 pm

I recently ordered a couple additional female Yellow Labs. I think one of the females I received is holding eggs! Is this possible? Wouldn't the stress of shipping cause her to "abort?" (probably not the correct word) Also, some breeders use sedatives in shipping. Would the sedative harm the eggs?
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby DJRansome » Wed May 05, 2021 11:04 pm

Possible! She would not necessarily spit the eggs just due to shipping. Hopefully your breeder did not use a sedative...did yours? I would expect the fry would be OK, but hard to tell without knowing the chemical that was used.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Fri May 07, 2021 8:35 pm

I contacted the breeder. They can't tell me for sure if sedatives were used on my order. But they told me that when they do use sedatives, they use Aquacalm. I wish I could get a picture of the fish in question, but I don't know where she is at present.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby DJRansome » Fri May 07, 2021 9:11 pm

I could not find anything about the impact of Metomidate hydrochloride on fry. Are you going to raise them?
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Fri May 07, 2021 9:34 pm

DJRansome wrote:I could not find anything about the impact of Metomidate hydrochloride on fry. Are you going to raise them?

I don't know.... I wasn't planning on this.... I'm not prepared for it.... I don't know what to do.... Help! Panic! I don't have an empty tank to put her in even if I could catch her, which I can't.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby DJRansome » Fri May 07, 2021 9:59 pm

I would let this batch go. You can't be absolutely sure who she spawned with.

Are you going to eventually raise fry?
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Fri May 07, 2021 11:33 pm

DJRansome wrote:I would let this batch go. You can't be absolutely sure who she spawned with.

Are you going to eventually raise fry?

That's true; they could be hybrids, huh? I hadn't thought of that. What do you mean by "let this batch go?"

Do I eventually want to raise fry? I hadn't decided yet. I expected to have a couple more months to think it over and research what all is involved. I live in a small apartment; don't have room for a lot of tanks.....
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby DJRansome » Sat May 08, 2021 9:38 am

Let her spit in the tank with the adults. That will be what you usually do with females that hold in the tank ongoing.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Sat May 08, 2021 10:58 am

Yeah? And then what happens?
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby DJRansome » Sat May 08, 2021 2:55 pm

The adults in the tank eat the babies as soon as they are spit.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Sat May 08, 2021 4:00 pm

DJRansome wrote:The adults in the tank eat the babies as soon as they are spit.

Then how do you explain this?

https://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/vie ... 9&t=454233
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby DJRansome » Sat May 08, 2021 8:13 pm

2 out of 20? Most were eaten...I rarely have survivor fry (like six in 15 years) but if you don't want any stock Synodontis.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby sir_keith » Sun May 09, 2021 12:12 am

DJRansome wrote:2 out of 20? Most were eaten...I rarely have survivor fry (like six in 15 years) but if you don't want any stock Synodontis.

Granted, these are not Malawians, but a picture is worth 1000 words nonetheless...

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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby noki » Sun May 09, 2021 12:35 pm

Can you tell if she is still holding? If they are survived all of this so far, give them a chance if they survive in the rocks. If they are hybrids, just don't give away or let breed as adults.
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Re: Shipping A Holding Female

Postby Smeagol » Sun May 09, 2021 7:34 pm

noki wrote:Can you tell if she is still holding? If they are survived all of this so far, give them a chance if they survive in the rocks. If they are hybrids, just don't give away or let breed as adults.

Yes, she is definitely still holding. Is there any way to tell how much longer she has to go before she spits them?
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