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75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Tue May 28, 2019 10:52 am

I'm new to cichlids and I've been reading through other posts about stocking ideas but there's so many different variants so I thought I'd post my own. As I understand it, you either want just a few different species with 1 male to 4 or 5 females or all males that look nothing alike. Correct me if I'm wrong. Initially I thought I'd go with juveniles but that seems impossible to get all males. So with going the all male route, is this a reasonable list?

OB Peacock
Ngara Flametail -Aulonocara stuartgranti
Ruby Red -Aulonocara Rubescens
Bi-Color 500 - Aulonocara maulana
Dragon Blood - Aulonocara sp. Firefish
Apache - Aulonocara Hybrid
Sunshine - Aulonocara sp. stuartgranti "Maleri"
Electric Yellow -Labidochromis Caeruleus Lions Cove
Red Blaze - Otopharynx lithobates Red Blaze
Taiwan Reef - Protomelas sp. Steveni Taiwan
Zimbabwe Rock - Otopharynx Lithobates zimbabwe rock
Fireline Mloto - Copadichromis Trewavasae Mloto Likoma
Sulfur Head - Aulonocara Maylandi

Tank is 75 gal, 48". Is this too few or too many fish? I've read you want to overstock a little but it's pretty difficult getting no 2 fish that look alike.
I've read that OB's and Dragon Bloods might be a problem but the wife really likes those. Am I right that the Electric Yellow is a Mbuna but it'll be fine with Peacocks and Haps?

Sorry for the tons of questions and posts recently, I'm just trying to do as much research and get as much feedback as I can before I jump into this. Thanks for any help.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Tue May 28, 2019 11:00 am

You have about the right numbers, and your list MIGHT work (you never know), but I would expect these problems and therefore make these changes.

Pick your favorite and go with timid or aggressive, depending on which he is.

OB Peacock ok if you go aggressive
Ngara Flametail -Aulonocara stuartgranti ok if you go timid
Ruby Red -Aulonocara Rubescens ok if you go timid
Bi-Color 500 - Aulonocara maulana ok
Dragon Blood - Aulonocara sp. Firefish ok if you go aggressive. Choose one jacobfreibergi
Apache - Aulonocara Hybrid ok if you go aggressive. Choose one jacobfreibergi
Sunshine - Aulonocara sp. stuartgranti "Maleri" ok if you go timid
Electric Yellow -Labidochromis Caeruleus Lions Cove ok
Red Blaze - Otopharynx lithobates Red Blaze ok if you go timid. Choose one otopharynx.
Taiwan Reef - Protomelas sp. Steveni Taiwan too big for 75G
Zimbabwe Rock - Otopharynx Lithobates zimbabwe rock ok if you go timid. Choose one otopharynx.
Fireline Mloto - Copadichromis Trewavasae Mloto Likoma ok if you go timid
Sulfur Head - Aulonocara Maylandiavoid in all male, even the timid mix
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Petricola
33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Homeless Peacocks; 33G Cobue
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Tue May 28, 2019 11:07 am

Thanks. Any ideas for a few that could work if I replace the aggressive ones, the sulfer head, and the zimbabwe? I don't think I have any solid blue ones in that list.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Tue May 28, 2019 1:37 pm

If you go timid, you would be replacing the maylandia, the taiwan and one of the otopharynx in any case.

Then also the OB, the jakes and the hybrids.

So you need about six fish to substitute. I would probably just do a group of 5 yellow labs instead of one and call it stocked.

These haps are nice:
Placidochromis electra
Protomelas marginatus
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Petricola
33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Homeless Peacocks; 33G Cobue
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Tue May 28, 2019 2:02 pm

5 male yellow labs would be fine together?

So I'd end up with something like:


Ngara Flametail -Aulonocara stuartgranti
Ruby Red -Aulonocara Rubescens
Bi-Color 500 - Aulonocara maulana
Sunshine - Aulonocara sp. stuartgranti "Maleri"
Red Blaze - Otopharynx lithobates Red Blaze
Fireline Mloto - Copadichromis Trewavasae Mloto Likoma
Placidochromis electra


X5:
Electric Yellow -Labidochromis Caeruleus Lions Cove

I think that's a pretty solid mix of colors in there. Shame about the Taiwan being too big. They're probably one of my favorite looking.

Thanks for your help. I appreciate it.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Tue May 28, 2019 3:32 pm

On the labs, do 1m:5f. Females are just as bright as males.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Petricola
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Tue May 28, 2019 3:39 pm

Makes sense. Good to know. Are there any other reds that would fit in with this mix that you know of?
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Tue May 28, 2019 3:42 pm

Problem is that you don't want any look-alikes. No haps or mbuna that are peaceful and small enough for 75G that I am aware of.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Petricola
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Tue May 28, 2019 3:45 pm

Yeah that's what I thought. The rubescens will do. I think this list looks pretty good. Now to run it by the wife. Wish me luck.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby Kipnlilo » Tue May 28, 2019 10:13 pm

I have kept Haplochromis Xystichromis Kyoga Flameback with peacocks. I would recommend this one with timid Peacocks. I currently have a Xystichromis Phytophagus Christmas Fulu doing well and really colored up in a Peacock/Hap tank. This one can handle more aggression. Both are Lake Victoria, but seem to work with Malawi for me. They don’t get very big, little over 4 inches. Maybe DJ or others have tried this combination before and can chime in also.
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55G Female Hap Peacock
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10G Hospital
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Wed May 29, 2019 7:33 am

For me the flameback did not color up with haps and peacocks. And I had other fish that were wimpy.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Petricola
33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Homeless Peacocks; 33G Cobue
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:14 pm

Couple more questions. The site I'm considering doesn't have everything I want in stock for "Premium Males." They have a little over half at at that size and then a few that are "Premium Unsexed" which I'm guessing is a step up from juvenile but still not showing color yet. And they only have juveniles of Placidochromis electra, which they say are 1.5". The biggest any of the "Premium" sizes in my list are is 2.5". This site claims to have a pretty high success rate for picking males for juveniles, which I'm assuming would be the same for the "Premium Unsexed." Does any one have experience buying either of those sizes and hoping for males? Would it be a bad idea to buy some "premium males", some "premium unsexed" and one juvenile and tell them I want males? Or should I wait until they have everything in stock so I now for sure what I'm getting? I already emailed the site, not sure of their response time so I thought I'd ask here too. If I wait for them to have everything in stock, how long should I wait? The tank is ready and I'm getting antsy.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:00 pm

I'd try another site.

If that is the only vendor you are willing to use, I would buy only premium males (they guarantee or refund, correct?). Then if you choose one species to get unsexed juveniles as long as the females look nothing like any of the other females, you can do that.

The problem with taking a chance is if you end up getting some females...once you mix them in your tank you can no longer ID the species so you can't sell them or give them away.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby artlee6 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:10 pm

Yeah that's what I'm worried about. Would LFS take unidentified females back and be able to put them in the "mixed peacocks" tank? Lol I'm kidding but not really. I've looked at the retail reviews on here and checked out a bunch of those sites but I can't seem to find this mix anywhere. Would you mind sending me a PM of sites you've had success with? I'll tell you which one I was looking at. Appreciate it.
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Re: 75g Stocking Ideas for all male peacock and hap

Postby DJRansome » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 am

Send me a PM and I will reply.

It is unlikely you will find every fish at a single vendor for one purchase. The important thing is to get a vendor that sells pure fish and won't sell you a fish as male that is not old enough to be sure.
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75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
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