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tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:29 am

Hi Guys,

I have a 190 gallon tank and I am thinking to stock the following cichlids. What do you think?

Aulonacara
- German Red / Ruby Red x 3
- Baenschi x 3
- Eureka Red x 3
- Dragonblood x 3
- Chilumba x 3
- Hansbaenschi x 3
- Lwanda x 3
- Mamelela x 3
- Maylandi x 3
- Blue Neon x 3
- Usisya x 3
- Maulana x 3
Some Haps
- Lethrinops Mbasi Rainbow X 2
- Lethrinops Red Cap X 2
- Lethrinops Albus X 2
- Protomelas Steveni Taiwan X 2
- Protomelas Spilonotus Tanzania X 2
- Protomelas Taeniolatus X 2
- Sciaenochromis Fryeri X 2
- Sciaenochromis Fryeri White Knight X 2
- Copadichromis Borleyi X 2
- Copadichromis Azureus X 2
- Placidochromis Phenochilus X 2
- Placidochromis Electra X 2
- Otopharynx Tetrastigma X 2
- Otopharynx Spot Sani X 2
- Otopharynx Lithobates X 2
Mbuna
- yellow lab cichlid x 6
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:43 am

Welcome to Cichlid-forum!

How long is the tank? With a large variety you may want one gender, one of each species and no look-alikes.
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:45 am

the tank is

10 feet long
1 feet wide
2.5 feet tall
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:57 am

I think you need to leave room for water. :thumb:

Which is more important, the variety or having groups of each species?

I would shoot for maybe 50 fish maximum if you go with groups (1m:4f of each).

And maybe 25 males if you go with all-male, one of each species and no look-alikes.

Do you have a preference?
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:07 am

that is a hard decision.

I like the variety colors of the fish and also would the fish be lonely if it is only himself and no partner/friend from same species?

I do not mind going to the same type only but i think my wife would like variety of colors

Based on the list above which I have posted, which one would you picks if it is based on variety and single gender only?

Thank you.

Wish you a good day ahead :)
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:36 am

The all-male tank is the most challenging and may take a couple of years to swap out individuals to get a good balance. Have extra tanks and a rehoming plan. Also it is hard to find 25 individuals that look nothing alike.

This would be my pic. Note that there are 6 labs and 6 acei. These peaceful mbuna are OK in mixed gender groups with all-male haps and peacocks.

Also I added one peacock and two haps that you did not have on your list because they look different than the others. The Astatotilapia is a Victorian.

German Red / Ruby Red 1
Baenschi 1
Chilumba 1
Hansbaenschi 1
Usisya 1
Protomelas Steveni Taiwan 1
Sciaenochromis Fryeri 1
Copadichromis Borleyi 1
Copadichromis Azureus 1
Placidochromis Electra 1
Otopharynx Tetrastigma 1
Aulonocara Turkis 1
Mylochromis ericotaenia 1
Astatotilapia latifasciata 1
Yellow lab 6
Acei 6
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:50 am

thanks man for the list!

Do you think if i could add maybe 6 x compress gold head?
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:25 pm

No...I have found (by trying it) that Tanganyikans are better in Tang tanks. Get a 36" tank for the comps. Your tank is full with the 26 listed...one too many even.

My experiment was with one or more extra calvus in all male hap and peacock. Not good, I removed them.

Other failed attempts with Tangs in Malawi tanks include leleupi and brevis and trets.

The Victorian I mentioned works with Malawi, but I also have fails with Victorians in Malawi tanks including nyererei and flame backs.
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:58 pm

All right.

May i know if i could add back dragon blood? Was it because the fish is agressive thus was removed?
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:29 pm

One red so you would trade in the red peacock for the dragon blood. Red-pink-orange peacocks often all view each other as look-alikes. It is a large aggressive hybrid and could prevent your other peacocks and some of the haps from showing best color...but it is a long tank and nothing is for sure until you try it. As mentioned, you will be swapping out fish for the first 2 years so start with the dragon blood and then you can always swap it out for the rubescens if it does not work.
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:08 am

thanks man for the advise!

I am looking at the possibility to import those fish from aquahaus :)
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:30 am

Hi DJ,

I think i am going to order this from the germany website

German Red / Ruby Red 1
Baenschi 1
Chilumba 1
Hansbaenschi 1
Usisya 1
Protomelas Steveni Taiwan 1
Sciaenochromis Fryeri 1
Copadichromis Borleyi 1
Copadichromis Azureus 1
Placidochromis Electra 1
Otopharynx Tetrastigma 1

As i am worried about mbunas fighting and that website does not have any other fish.

Based on the updated list, is there any other fish which I could order from them?

Could you kindly recommend for me please?

https://aquahaus-gaus.de/epages/513fb82 ... egories/25

Also do you think if i could keep 10 or 15 of these in the same tank?

https://aquahaus-gaus.de/epages/513fb82 ... S%5B109%5D

I live in Singapore so I thought for this order, everything from this place.

Thanks!
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:59 am

I don't know how you can get enough fish that look nothing alike among only haps and peacocks to fill a 10 foot tank without doing the mbuna. You may find that some of the haps are more aggressive than the yellow labs and acei.

It will take some time to identify the ones you can't get and what might be substituted from that list, but you may come up short. The solution would be to increase the yellow labs and acei.
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Re: tank stocking

Postby DJRansome » Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:29 pm

Do the astatotilapia aeneocolor Yellow Belly instead of the astatotilapia latifasciata.

Do the Mylochromis spec. Mchuse instead of the Mylochromis ericotaenia.

No substitution for the turkis.

If you want to try something experimental, you could choose 8 of your favorites and do 3 males of each.

Regarding Synodontis lucipinnis I would do 7 of them...the ideal seems to be from 5 to 7 individuals.
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Re: tank stocking

Postby kellogs » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:13 pm

Thanks DJ!

Currently I have 13 cichlids based on what we have discussed. I wonder if it is risky for the fish if we stock them x3 for the 8 fav specicies or pick 8 more different species?

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