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New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby KJD66 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:47 am

Hi everyone, new member here. I posted this yesterday in the Aquarium Setup Forum, which I now realise was probably not the best place for this topic, so apologies for the double post. Thanks to DJRansome for his help already on the other thread.

Setting up my first Mbuna tank. It's 413 L, 140cm (55 inches) long and 50cm (20 inches) wide. Here's my first attempt at the rock setup using mini landscape rock. I need to add more rock (as confirmed by DJRansome). Any opinions/advice gladly received.

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Also what do you think would be best number of fish to put in there? I want to try and keep aggression down without it being ridiculously overstocked. I've been looking at hopefully stocking from the following (mixed gender probably): Pseudotropheus Acei, Labidochromis Caeruleus, Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos, Pseudotropheus demasoni, and Pseudotropheus Saulosi. I also hope to add other species such as Syndodontis Multipunctatus, Monodactylus Sebae, Flying Fox fish (not all of them).

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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby DJRansome » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:44 am

I would do 4 species and a group of 5 Synodontis multipunctatus and skip the demasoni for sure. I would shoot for 22 cichlids. You may want to choose between yellow labs and saulosi because females are yellow or yellow orange and maybe not enough contrast?

1m:4f Labidochromis caeruleus Nkhata (white labs)
1m:4f Chindongo (new name) saulosi
1m:4f Pseudotropheus acei
1m:7f Pseudotropheus (new name) cyaneorhabdos Maingano
125G Borleyi, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Similis, Petricola
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby KJD66 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:00 am

DJRansome wrote:I would do 4 species and a group of 5 Synodontis multipunctatus and skip the demasoni for sure. I would shoot for 22 cichlids. You may want to choose between yellow labs and saulosi because females are yellow or yellow orange and maybe not enough contrast?

1m:4f Labidochromis caeruleus Nkhata (white labs)
1m:4f Chindongo (new name) saulosi
1m:4f Pseudotropheus acei
1m:7f Pseudotropheus (new name) cyaneorhabdos Maingano


Thanks again DJRansome. How aggressive would the Maingano be in a tank with those other species?
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby DJRansome » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:11 pm

They will be the most aggressive fish in the tank, but if you have plenty of females and the right sized tank they are fine. Aggression is usually more within the species unless that tank/tank mates are problematical.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby Smeagol » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:15 pm

KJD66 wrote:How aggressive would the Maingano be in a tank with those other species?

DJRansome wrote:They will be the most aggressive fish in the tank, but if you have plenty of females and the right sized tank they are fine. Aggression is usually more within the species unless that tank/tank mates are problematical.

I just stocked my 48" (75g) tank with Maingano, Yellow Labs, and Yellow-tail Acei. Granted, they are only juveniles, but so far they are defying conventional wisdom. Maingano are the most peaceful fish in the tank, while Acei are the most aggressive.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby DJRansome » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:32 pm

Wait until after the first year they are in the tank to evaluate aggression. That is a surprise about the Acei however.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby Smeagol » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:49 pm

DJRansome wrote:Wait until after the first year they are in the tank to evaluate aggression. That is a surprise about the Acei however.

Yep. That's why I prefaced my sentence with "Granted, they're only juveniles..." I do appreciate your confidence that I'll be able to keep them alive for more than a year. :D These are my first cichlids, and I'm a bit apprehensive.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby DJRansome » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:43 pm

They are hardy, and I am sure you are a good fish keeper. Just adding the comment for future readers who might read maingano are the most peaceful fish in the tank and not get all the details.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby SenorStrum » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:33 pm

I've read so many of these over the last 9 months, and we decided to go without Maingano. I like that you added that comment for posterity because it could be confusing.

We kicked this adventure off very sure we'd want Demasoni and Johanni. The Johanni were the first we got and the male (Joe - please remember we can help with naming your fish for a small fee) and they got rehomed. There were a number of mistakes made, but 1:3 johanni with 3 elongatus chewere did NOT work. It was no fun. After that, we decided to find smaller and "more peaceful" (notice the quotes, I understand the implications here) species. No Demasoni either. We wound up going with Saulosi.

To Smeagol's point, I saw exactly the same way when I brought home the Acei. 6 Acei went into a tank with 6 saulosi for quarantining, and the Acei were definitely in charge there for like a week. To the point we wondered whether we had repeated the Johanni problem. Then they calmed down and are acting like Acei are supposed to.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby KJD66 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:08 pm

So I’ve taken the advice and added a load more rocks to the tank. Looks pretty good now I think.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby DJRansome » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:32 pm

Mbuna heaven!
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby KJD66 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:38 pm

Hopefully!
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby Smeagol » Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:33 pm

SenorStrum wrote:To Smeagol's point, I saw exactly the same way when I brought home the Acei. 6 Acei went into a tank with 6 saulosi for quarantining, and the Acei were definitely in charge there for like a week. To the point we wondered whether we had repeated the Johanni problem. Then they calmed down and are acting like Acei are supposed to.

That's similar to my experience. For the first couple weeks, my Acei were the most aggressive and bossy fish in the tank. But they eventually calmed down, and now they "are acting like Acei are supposed to," mostly cruising around in the upper section of the tank, above the rock pile. As for my Maingano, they're a little bit chasey, but nothing too bad, just the occasional short chase (so far). And Yellow Labs are too busy being cute to cause any trouble.
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby Smeagol » Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:35 pm

KJD66 wrote:So I’ve taken the advice and added a load more rocks to the tank. Looks pretty good now I think.

Magnificent! What kind of rocks are those? Where did you get them?
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Re: New Mbuna Tank - Hardscape Feedback

Postby KJD66 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:42 pm

Smeagol wrote:
KJD66 wrote:So I’ve taken the advice and added a load more rocks to the tank. Looks pretty good now I think.

Magnificent! What kind of rocks are those? Where did you get them?


Thanks!

The rocks are Seiryu Stone or Mini Landscape Rock as it's also called. I got them from Aquarium Gardens in the UK.
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