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Postby Sick-Lid-4-Life » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:12 pm

I've seen it happen.
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Postby blairo1 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:24 pm

Hey I don't know much about swordtails, but I do know a guy who breeds any and all of them, making all sorts of combinations that he sells as candy type names :?.

Given the appropriate conditions I see no reason why you couldn't breed any two colour morphs/sub species together. The limiting factor is whether the fish are similar enough to mistake the other for a potential mate of the "same" sp.... However I have to ask, if they fall under Xiphophorus can they really be considered true hybrids?
That's actually a question...:lol:)

I think you'd find this page useful:
http://www.xiphophorus.org/images.htm

http://www.xiphophorus.org/mapping.htm
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Postby MetalHead06351 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:27 pm

swordtails can cross with platies and mollies. They come in any color from black to bright orange, so anything you could imagine pretty much exists. In the wild they are green, so all of the crazy colors you see today come from hybridization(mostly with platies), and line breeding. Pineapple swords are pretty, but my personal favorites are the black velvets. Male to female ratio works best when its 3f to 1m. In a 20g, I would imagine you could keep about a dozen, maybe more if its a species only tank. If you are planning on raising the fry, I would get some sort of breeding trap as they like to eat their young. No cichlid parenting in these fish....
Also, you can tell the females from the males by the tail. Only the males have swords. You can tell when they are pregnant by a black spot inside the fish near the vent. Its not always easy to see on some of the color morphs, though.
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Postby Mr_Yellow_Shoes » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:19 pm

MetalHead06351 wrote:swordtails can cross with platies and mollies. They come in any color from black to bright orange, so anything you could imagine pretty much exists. In the wild they are green, so all of the crazy colors you see today come from hybridization(mostly with platies), and line breeding. Pineapple swords are pretty, but my personal favorites are the black velvets. Male to female ratio works best when its 3f to 1m. In a 20g, I would imagine you could keep about a dozen, maybe more if its a species only tank. If you are planning on raising the fry, I would get some sort of breeding trap as they like to eat their young. No cichlid parenting in these fish....
Also, you can tell the females from the males by the tail. Only the males have swords. You can tell when they are pregnant by a black spot inside the fish near the vent. Its not always easy to see on some of the color morphs, though.


Thanks for the info everyone, and to the guy who said i do not know much about these fish, he is right, thats why i posted asking for pictures of these fish and some information about cross breeding. I even said that I am new to keeping them, also please do not make any attacks on my knowledge of fish, although I am not an expert on the hobby, I do know my fair share about them. And Im pretty sure i cannot get banned for this because just by looking down the General Aquaria Discussion list I see threads about danios, loaches, rainbow fish, clams, and plecos
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Postby Mr_Yellow_Shoes » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:19 pm

MetalHead06351 wrote:swordtails can cross with platies and mollies. They come in any color from black to bright orange, so anything you could imagine pretty much exists. In the wild they are green, so all of the crazy colors you see today come from hybridization(mostly with platies), and line breeding. Pineapple swords are pretty, but my personal favorites are the black velvets. Male to female ratio works best when its 3f to 1m. In a 20g, I would imagine you could keep about a dozen, maybe more if its a species only tank. If you are planning on raising the fry, I would get some sort of breeding trap as they like to eat their young. No cichlid parenting in these fish....
Also, you can tell the females from the males by the tail. Only the males have swords. You can tell when they are pregnant by a black spot inside the fish near the vent. Its not always easy to see on some of the color morphs, though.


Thanks for the info everyone, and to the guy who said i do not know much about these fish, he is right, thats why i posted asking for pictures of these fish and some information about cross breeding. I even said that I am new to keeping them, also please do not make any attacks on my knowledge of fish, although I am not an expert on the hobby, I do know my fair share about them. And Im pretty sure i cannot get banned for this because just by looking down the General Aquaria Discussion list I see threads about danios, loaches, rainbow fish, clams, and plecos
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Postby Sick-Lid-4-Life » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:36 pm

:lol: :roll: Do some research online and learn what you need for a successful molly setup.
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Postby blairo1 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:43 pm

Sick-Lid-4-Life wrote::lol: :roll: Do some research online and learn what you need for a successful molly setup.


Asking questions is a good step in the right direction in regards to researching something of interest, don't you agree!?...

I can't understand why you're being so blunt towards the OP, someone who obviously wants to learn more, someone who is asking pretty reasonable questions. You can read as much as you like but nothing can guide you quite like the direct experience of another aquarist....
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Postby Sick-Lid-4-Life » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:48 pm

It sure is ! And that was my point. But when asking what type of fish a user is taking about and them not knowing completely makes it hard for us to help them. Especially when a clearly asked question is said to be "worded weird".

Water under the bridge...
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Postby Mr_Yellow_Shoes » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:10 pm

blairo1 wrote:
Sick-Lid-4-Life wrote::lol: :roll: Do some research online and learn what you need for a successful molly setup.


Asking questions is a good step in the right direction in regards to researching something of interest, don't you agree!?...

I can't understand why you're being so blunt towards the OP, someone who obviously wants to learn more, someone who is asking pretty reasonable questions. You can read as much as you like but nothing can guide you quite like the direct experience of another aquarist....


Thank you for your understanding, and to be honest, sick-lid-4-life, if all your going to do is criticize my knowledge rather than help me, I would rather not have your help, thanks on a lighter note, to the user who posted the links with the cross breeds, thanks for that link
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Postby Darkside » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:41 pm

Sick-Lid-4-Life wrote:It sure is ! And that was my point. But when asking what type of fish a user is taking about and them not knowing completely makes it hard for us to help them. Especially when a clearly asked question is said to be "worded weird".

Water under the bridge...


:-?

Anyone else confused by this?
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Postby blairo1 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:47 pm

Mr_Yellow_Shoes wrote:to the user who posted the links with the cross breeds, thanks for that link


No worries, we all have to start somewhere!
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Postby Mr_Yellow_Shoes » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:52 pm

Yeah, it is a really helpful site
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Postby Marduk » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:23 pm

Sick-Lid-4-Life wrote:Swordtail mollies are livebearers... You want to start a tank with swordtails yet you don't know what they are ?

Mollies are brackish water...he wants the freshwater livebearing swordtail tropical fish... Mollies and Swordtails aren't even in the same genus let alone species.

My point is, he's not asking about mollies, just swordtails.

~Ed
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Postby Marduk » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:30 pm

Btw here's a website that has some info on swordtails: www.fishlore.com
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Postby Marduk » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:34 pm

Sick-Lid-4-Life wrote:Also, this is a cichlid forum. I've seen people get banned for posting things about non cichlids.

He posted the topic in the General Aquaria Forum which allows discussion of anything aquaria related... And I've never heard of anyone get banned from this site posting non-cichlid but fish-related topics...
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