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White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm

Help

I’ve just come home and noticed one of my Jalo female has like white around her lips, it kinda looks like a fungus, all other fish look ok but some are flashing. Can’t notice any white spots on any of them..?

Any ideas what it is and how I can treat the tank..?
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Re: White lips

Postby DJRansome » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:27 pm

They are fighting. What is your stock list and what are the dimensions of the tank? What are the test results for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate?
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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 am

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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:21 am

Difficult to take a decent pic. it kinda looks fury and extends under her chin.

The tank I know is perhaps too small but I wanted to rule out any disease ripping through the tank

90x50x50cm

5 yellow labs - 1m 4f
1F demasoni
4 jalo reef - 1m 3f

Did 25 percent water change last night and all results look ok apart from 0.50 ammonia which its been like that for months
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Re: White lips

Postby Old Newbie » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:13 am

Looks like the aftermath of aggression to me. My female Kenyi fight a lot, often with males of other species.
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Re: White lips

Postby DJRansome » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:57 am

Isolate her in a hospital tank, but just keep the water clean, she should heal.

The tank size is creating the problem, so you can't separate the two issues.

Don't put her back until you have more Jalo females. The female demasoni may also be fighting with her, you could try removing the demasoni.
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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:22 pm

Shall I remove the female jalo’s and just leave the Male in there with the 5 labs and dem..?
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Re: White lips

Postby DJRansome » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:55 pm

Nope. Too many males. Not enough females.
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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:17 pm

So if I left the Male jalo in there on his own, would he then bully the yellow labs..?
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Re: White lips

Postby DJRansome » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:58 pm

You could expect that he would try to mate with any female in the tank (yellow labs and demasoni) and fight with the one yellow lab male who would be trying to stop him.

So yes, be aggressive with everyone else in the tank.
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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:22 pm

How many more females would you put in..?
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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:35 pm

Or what about removing all the jalo and adding 11 more dems..?
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Re: White lips

Postby DJRansome » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:56 pm

First you want to solve your ammonia and nitrate problem.

For now either separate the damaged female (preferred so that you can ensure she gets better not worse). Or separate the Jalo male. After 3 weeks you should know if it was an illness or aggression.

Once you have cleared the disease question...I do not recommend doing demasoni in a 36" tank but if you are determined, you would add more than 11. You want to end up with 12 after removing extra males.

Jalo Reef are a lot more docile than demasoni and less likely to get sick than demasoni. They are the extra work fish.
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Re: White lips

Postby shiftyfox » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:18 am

Thanks for the advice, yes first thing is to get her out, hospital tank is set up now, just need to get a cheap thermometer today as don’t trust the reading on the heater.
Hopefully the nitrogen cycle will eventually get sorted in my main tank.

Heads slightly spinning what to do after I can rule out disease or aggression.

In an ideal world I love the combination of dems and labs but appreciate my tank size would be a challenge.
If I eventually removed all jalo and were left with 5 labs and 1 dem could I add any peacocks instead..?
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Re: White lips

Postby Old Newbie » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:19 am

Even though Labs are on the more moderate side of aggression as far as Mbuna are concerned, they are still Mbuna and will probably harass Peacocks. And, the lone Demasoni would most likely terrorize them. I now have a 55 gallon Demasoni species tank with 2 males and 10 females and had to go through quite an ordeal to get a combination that worked. I started with 1 Demasoni in a community Mbuna tank and it took me a while to figure out why all the other fish in the tank were battle scarred and/or hiding.
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