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Sunken Belly

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:36 am

Hey All,

Currently have a Neon Spot that has what looks like a sunken belly and white stringy faeces, and is spitting food some times ,
I've isolated him in my hospital tank

Now from what I've read dosing the food with Seachem Metroplex, Focus and garlic is the way forward however, I cant get the first two products in the UK though

Any suggestions of a product or the ingredients I should be dosing the tank or food with

Was going to try Cichlid salt tonight...?
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby Old Newbie » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:18 am

You can try epsom salts as a laxative; I use 1/2 tablespoon in a cup of water, use an eyedropper to moisten food (pellets) let it soak in for a minute and feed to the fish.
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby DJRansome » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:37 am

Ask your vet to prescribe the metronidazole. You can also do the Epsom salt...
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:33 am

Could I use Seachem Cichlid salt instead of Epsom salt..?
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby Old Newbie » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:42 am

Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate and not regular sodium based salt. So, no.
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby DJRansome » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:55 pm

Depending on what is wrong with your fish, the Epsom salt may relieve a symptom but not cure the disease. Like aspirin and an antibiotic, you may need both. Is your fish eating?
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby shiftyfox » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:33 pm

Very little, and his colour very dull
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby DJRansome » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:23 pm

Well if he is eating it may not be bloat. Try the Epsom salt. Since he is not really eating, add it to the tank but increase GH (by adding Epsom salt) gradually, not all at once. What is your test result for GH now?
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby Mudkicker1 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:19 pm

In my experience Metronidazole does absolutely nothing in the water column. If your fish don't eat I would recommend Clout. Then once they start eating again use Metro in the food. You can find flake food with Metro in it. If too much damage was done internally your fish may never be 100% from my experience.

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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby DJRansome » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:38 pm

I have had the opposite experience from mudkicker...clout was harsh and ineffective and metro in the water column (I have never treated the food) works like a charm, even with improvement within 24 hours. I do double dose the metro however.

I imagine there are different organisms that cause this issue, and depending on which you have, different meds work differently.

I agree by the time the fish is truly bloated...possibly with eyes even a little swollen, it may be too late no matter what.
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby Brucedg » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:51 pm

Interesting :D
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby Mudkicker1 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:48 pm

DJRansome wrote:I have had the opposite experience from mudkicker...clout was harsh and ineffective and metro in the water column (I have never treated the food) works like a charm, even with improvement within 24 hours. I do double dose the metro however.

I imagine there are different organisms that cause this issue, and depending on which you have, different meds work differently.

I agree by the time the fish is truly bloated...possibly with eyes even a little swollen, it may be too late no matter what.
DJ, perhaps the Metro I've been using is not so good. Where do you buy yours and what is your dosing amount and schedule?

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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby DJRansome » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:33 pm

I also wonder if treating mbuna is different than treating haps and peacocks. I've only had demasoni with bloat...that extra long gut. Metronidazole expires after 2 years. I get it from jehmco.com which is a fish room supplier in the US.
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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby Mudkicker1 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:45 pm

DJRansome wrote:I also wonder if treating mbuna is different than treating haps and peacocks. I've only had demasoni with bloat...that extra long gut. Metronidazole expires after 2 years. I get it from jehmco.com which is a fish room supplier in the US.
It's very possible that mine was expired during my last bloat breakout. However it has never worked for me even when fresh.
I never had a mbuna with bloat in my life, only haps and peacocks.

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Re: Sunken Belly

Postby DJRansome » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:57 pm

Here is my regimen. Note the author was also treating a herbivore (or at least not a carnivore like haps and peacocks).
https://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/vie ... 40#p272716
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