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Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:44 pm

A thread for anything and everything to do with Trichromis salvini.
Pictures and video. Links to information and articles. Discussion on tank size, set ups, tank mates, spawning behavior, aggression, growth, size ect., ect.
Sort of like a minature Trimac, Salvini is one of my favorite cichlids. Started keeping them back in 2001 and have kept them ever since.
A picture of my current male with one of his young females:
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A video of salvini in my 180 gal. set up:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlpAVdEYnyc
And a picture from back in 2002 of a Male salvini guarding fry:
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:42 pm

An article on salvini with some good information: https://cichlidae.com/article.php?id=109
Some video from the past (2015) showing the parents of my current male. Here with fry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt6wSQ6DJV8 And here with wrigglers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1LLvVUQX9A
Also a young pair I had in my 90 gal. during the same period of time (2015). A couple more short, low quality videos showing the young pair with fry:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7p9PhUjfdU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jkzy9ZIc9I

And a picture from 2013 of a male salvini threatening with a large female Blackbelt:
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These were the parents of all the salvinis from the videos in this post (female top left side and male in the center, defending his area from female Blackbelt)
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:24 pm

Like a lot of CA cichlids, salvinis have more colorful females, then males. IME, males will lose their yellow coloration and turn more blue with size and age. usually by the time there around 3 years old or around 7" or more they become a primarily blue, rather then yellow fish.
An example is this male at young age:
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Same male, a little older, on right side of picture. Note the difference in color from young female in center of picture:
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And another picture (2008) of a male I had that became blue with a liitle age and size:
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Some pictures of young females i have had:
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:37 pm

Some video of my salvinis in my 180 gal. showing older male with blue coloration paired and the younger yellow female he is currently paired up with:
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:52 pm

Some video of my salvinis in my 180 gal. showing older male with blue coloration and a younger yellow female that he is currently paired up with:
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby Deeda » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:11 pm

I love the pics for this species, beautiful fish!
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:35 am

Salvini has been a commonly available cichlid for quite some time now. They were available from the box stores pretty much 365 days a year for almost a decade. But sometime about 2 years ago, the box stores stopped carrying them. I think a lot of people tried them and for what ever reasons, they did not really catch on. Tried briefly and then moved on to something else. Now, many of the pet shops stopped carrying them due to low demand.
It's the bright colors that initially draws many people to salvini. But I see 2, possibly 3 main reasons, why salvini has not really caught on.
1st is it's aggression. Particularly males and/or pairs can be very nasty. But IMO it's primarily dependent on what you keep it with and size of tank.
Secondly, in many situations, the fish can stay scared, become very skittish and hide. IMO it needs an active, well stocked tank to be comfortable in. The larger and older it gets, the more prone it is to becoming overly fearful.
And thirdly, I suspect that salvini is less tolerant of poor water conditions then most CA cichlids. It needs decent water conditions to thrive (unlike say, the convict cichlid which will do OK even despite poor water quality).
So first, I'd like to discuss tankmates. In the 18+ years I've been keeping the fish, I've kept salvini with quite a variety of fish and other cichlids. List of all the fish I have kept it with:
CA Cichlids: Convicts, Jack Dempsey, Dovii, Black Belt.
SA Cichlids: Oscar, Red Terror (Mesoheros festae), Angelfish
African Cichlid: Coptodon zillii, Jewel cichlid (Hemichromis guttatus), Zebra Obliquidens (Astatotilapia latifasciata), Astatotilapia bloyeti
African cichlid from lake Malawi: "zebra" types of some sort, Auratus, Kenyi, Bumble Bee (Pseudotropheus crabro), electric yellow, Demasoni, Acei, Sunshine Peacock, Electric Blue ahli (Sciaenochromis fryeri.
Non cichlids: Red Bellied Piranha, Red tailed shark, Rainbow shark, blue/gold/opaline/3-spot gourami, Moonlight Gourami, Giant Danio, Common Pleco (Ptergoplichthys pardalis, BN pleco, Chinese algae eater.

I have kept Salvini in 6 ft. tanks, 180 gal and 125 gal., and in 4ft. 100 gal., 90 gal. , 75 gal. (usually at younger and smaller size), and as very young fish in 33 gal, 29 gal. and 15 gal.
At least in the size of tanks I have, many on this list have proven to be far too violent, and would never house them together again. IME, salvini get along well enough with all the African mouth brooders I have kept them with. Sturdy bottom feeders and loaches usually do OK, and gouramis usually receive even less attention. IME, always a lot of "friction" with male salvini and any other substrate spawning cichlid, though single females have gotten along considerably better.
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby Jeffmbunakeeper » Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:48 pm

Don't see this very attractive cichlid anymore, picked up 2 more 40 breeders would that be an acceptable platform for a single breeding pair?
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:52 pm

Jeffmbunakeeper wrote:Don't see this very attractive cichlid anymore, picked up 2 more 40 breeders would that be an acceptable platform for a single breeding pair?

Over the short term it could certainly work. If you intend to just breed the fish and then move on to something else, it might work out OK. Like a lot of CA, salvini will breed at a very young and tiny size.
But as a long term set up for housing salvini, I think it's a little small. And housing them just as a pair, you should treat them just like heavy weight CA, and incorporate a divider between spawns, as well as hiding places the male cannot fit and a close eye. Kept as just a pair, older fish will likely get lethargic and probably stay overly scared and skittish.
Salvini are not really that small. Males can get to around 8", but are deep bodied. More of a middle weight that is fairly comparable in size to a Jack Dempsey.
My current male measured at 8" and a weight of 253 grams. Bear in mind your typical 4" cichlid would weigh in around 20 grams. So more like 12 times the size of a 4" cichlid; not double the size. The female beside my male in the first picture would be 4" or very close to it, to give some perspective.
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Females usually get from 5 1/2", up to around 7" . I've had one older female get 7' and quite a few female that got 51/2"-6". A picture of my last large female measured at 6 1/2" and weight of 109 grams. So even the females get as large, and sometimes larger then a big male convict:
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby Jeffmbunakeeper » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:17 pm

So where would you consider ordering them from? I saw the cichlids of americas had some on his site. Looking for really colorful strain. Thanks
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:32 pm

Jeffmbunakeeper wrote:So where would you consider ordering them from?

Where ever you like. I have no real opinion as to where you should purchase them. LFS, online, or from another aquarist. It's your choice.
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:36 pm

Jeffmbunakeeper wrote: Looking for really colorful strain. Thanks

If you can find them, the Rio Chacamax strain would be among the most colorful. At least in regards to Red coloration:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1SFXN_enCA498CA498&sxsrf=ACYBGNRyT-377nNST-bDG7kK0hmPXxlMow:1574620452986&q=trichromis+salvini+rio+chacamax&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7hoamvoPmAhUEL6wKHfoYBz0QsAR6BAgBEAE&biw=1920&bih=937
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Re: Trichromis salvini

Postby BC in SK » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:38 pm

Some video of Salvini with fry. Sort of suprising the male has been paired up with the same female for over 2 months! It is at least their 2nd attempt at spawning. Usually the male will switch females after every spawn. There is a slightly larger female that the male has already spawned with producing some fry twice. There is a third, smaller female , which the male has yet to breed with though likely just a matter of time before he breeds with her, as well.


The salvini hung their wrigglers on the black brush algae on the wall of the tank. Third time I have seen cichlids do this in the last couple of years. I've had jewels do this twice in my 75 gal. (out of about 20 spawns in the last couple of years). I suspect the power head on the bottom of the tank and the current is at least partially responsible for the cichlids choosing to do this. Normally, they stick the wrigglers in a mass clump on the bottom of the tank, either inside the breeding cave or just outside of the cave. With substrate, they will dig a pit, though I haven't used substrate in any of my tanks for over ten years. I would have bred sals well over 100 times in the last 18+ years and this is the first and only time they have hung wrigglers on the wall of the tank! Unlike jewel wrigglers, the salvini wrigglers stuck very well to the black brush algae and do not fall off.
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