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Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Jewel)

Postby easywolf31 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:33 am

I walked into an obscure pet store and there in front of me were a type of fish I've been looking for but never thought I'd find. Around here its always been common Jewel Cichlid territory.

I bought a pair of Hemichromis B. Lifalili (Blood-Red Jewel Cichlid) and would like to give them the perfect (or as close to) setup. Meaning size tank, parameters, environment etc. I really would love to breed these. One of my top 3 fish easily.

Any advice needed! Will go on a research binge tomorrow.
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby Mr Chromedome » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:22 am

The bright red Jewel sold commercially as lifalili is just a really colorful population of the same species as the common Jewel, Hemichromis guttatus. This was determined 20 years ago by Anton Lamboj, but your average website is not going to have the correct information. I believe the only one that does is cichlidae.com.

Obviously, the requirements are the same as they are for the common Jewel.
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:57 pm

Mr Chromedome wrote:The bright red Jewel sold commercially as lifalili is just a really colorful population of the same species as the common Jewel, Hemichromis guttatus. This was determined 20 years ago by Anton Lamboj, but your average website is not going to have the correct information. I believe the only one that does is cichlidae.com.

Obviously, the requirements are the same as they are for the common Jewel.


True I believe you had written this info to me on another thread I had started a while back on common jewels, thanks.

So what happened to the name Hemichromis Bimaculatus?

It was just erased from all the books and replaced by H. Guttatus?
Also, is it than fair than to say a blood red jewel cichlid is a Hemichromis Guttatus "Lifalili" type? Or am I wrong?
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby Mr Chromedome » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:31 pm

easywolf31 wrote:
True I believe you had written this info to me on another thread I had started a while back on common jewels, thanks.

So what happened to the name Hemichromis Bimaculatus? It is a distinct species that has only rarely been in the hobby. The error in ID was made nearly 100 years ago, and corrected about 40 years ago.

It was just erased from all the books and replaced by H. Guttatus? I wish it had been erased; unfortunately, despite the fact that Loiselle had this corrected in the 1970s, it has failed to be properly disseminated. The internet has made it worse by everyone quoting sources that almost predate computers.

Also, is it than fair than to say a blood red jewel cichlid is a Hemichromis Guttatus "Lifalili" type? Or am I wrong? A few years ago, Lamboj and friends determined that the true lifalili was the previously unidentified species "Moanda/Muanda", so no, it would not be appropriate to call it a "lifalili type".
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:17 am

Hi there. I just added a pair of Lifalili in a 75 gallon. They immediately started hovering around observing their environment. Real smart looking fish, same as thr common Guttatus Jewel fish. The male has now turned blood red ruby red. The female should come along too, they were kind of sufforing in my friend's 5.5 gallon for a day while I went and picked up this aquarium and set it up.
I tried to kind of replicate their natural environmemt with not too much water movement, well oxygenated although maybe I should add another sponge filter with an air stone or a wavemaker for stronget and constant surface agitation.

I dropped the ph from tap/tanganyika aquarium water to 7.4 from 8.4 and the temperature to 74-75F. I added some plants but wondering if I should track down some Congo Basin plants as these are American I think. I don't really know anything about plants honestly..

I got 2 bogwood pieces from the people I got the aquarium from. Really nice and helpful for lowering ph and proving some shelter.

I put a flat slate rock behind the bigger driftwood, maybe they can lay eggs on it someday:)

Does anyone have some extra tips/suggestions about keeping a species blood red jewel tank?

Here are some pictures of a job I did pretty quickly. Anyone know what kind of rock that is and if it raises the Ph?

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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby Fogelhund » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:44 pm

You bought a pair, as in a previously bonded breeding pair? Or two fish?
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:18 am

Fogelhund wrote:You bought a pair, as in a previously bonded breeding pair? Or two fish?


Hi, the male jewel was with another female in a mbuna tank. It was actually sold to me as a malawi mbuna lol. But, I chose the brightest looking female from the tank next to it. I kinda feel sorry for splitting this pair and leaving his girl behind lol. Anyhow in the other tank it was all females. I kept Jewels about 30 years ago so I know the difference of a male and female just by looking at them

Anyhow they are always swimming together, rubbing each other. I raised the temp from 74 to 77 and will keep raising it to 82 slowly than I'll do a nice water change and bring the temp dow maybe it will imitate the rainy season. Today, a day later after I placed them in I could have sworn I saw the female showing how to and giving the big male chores. She lifted a piece of gravel from 2 flat stones I placed and moved it. As if showing the male this is what you need to do while he was staring like a big goof.

She than left and he started working his butt off lol. I think they may be preparing a nice place to spawn on...who knows. They are also digging some small pits around these stones. I wonder if i should put one more airstone in the aquarium for more oxygen..

I took a video found it cool if anyone wants to see for fun
..really love these cichlids.

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https://youtu.be/9qtyBFdzKUY
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:35 pm

Crazy..just came home and noticed this lol. I'm guessing the male is on top fertilizing them. They cleared all the gravel stones from the slate rock in the back. I put it there on purpose...ha.

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75G Green Terrors
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60G Brichardis
55G Tanganyika & Malawi Growouts
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Sat May 06, 2017 9:20 pm

Quick update...the eggs never made it past day 2 last Wednesday. Could have been because I was banging a 2x4' under their stand. So ate the eggs right after. Could have been because it's their first batch. Who knows.

This Wednesday they laid eggs again. I fed them well all week, put a big stone in front of their slate as well. Plants are growing like crazy. The eggs hatched yesterday and I noticed the pair still kept sharing fanning duties near by the slate. I looked closed and saw little wiggles. Hopefully they won't eat, they look like great parents. It was funny seeing the female inflate her fins and chase the male around when he wouldn't cooperate after the first batch died. The male agressed her for the first 2 days than the female got huge fat. Very intrestung to say the least.
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Sun May 07, 2017 3:19 pm

Nice spawn. Love the parenting skill on Jewels.

3 days old.

https://youtu.be/FGpIQ6Pi1qw
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75G Green Terrors
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Mon May 08, 2017 7:43 pm

How many is there around?

https://youtu.be/F21Y6YPLKRE
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135G Blue Dolphins, C. Kigomas, P. Polleni, J. Marksmithi
75G Green Terrors
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55G Tanganyika & Malawi Growouts
55G Cubans & Green Texas
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Wed May 10, 2017 10:09 am

What do you guys think? How many fry around? Looks like 400-700! I'm feeding them frozen baby brine shrimp and the food algea that's stuck on glass and substrate. The Northfin fry started food at 250 microns seems just a little too big but I'm sure they are nibbling on it. Will be good for the next week or 2.

What do you guys do with the fry? I'm thinking of siphoning them out in 2-3 weeks into a 55 gallon 48x18x15h? Or if I see them eating one. I don't think I've lost any so far. I see them gobbling up the little ones and bringing them back when they venture too far off. Doing 50% water changes every 2nd day. Ph at 7.2-7.4, Kh 5-6, Gh 5-6.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Glt2fXM53U



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135G Blue Dolphins, C. Kigomas, P. Polleni, J. Marksmithi
75G Green Terrors
60G Peacocks & Haps
60G Brichardis
55G Tanganyika & Malawi Growouts
55G Cubans & Green Texas
45G Electric Blue Jack Dempseys
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Wed May 17, 2017 10:27 am

Hey all, so the fry are 10 days old now and about 5-6mm long with a black stripe showing in the middle of their bodies. I have a problem though, the female seems to be getting quite fat again and possibly pregnant again. I'm getting a 40G empty tank tomorrow night and have the filters etc already. What to do, what to do? Can I or should I siphon the babies with a 25 foot long aqueon water hose into the 40g? When to do it though? Before or after the new spawn? And what the heck am I going to do with all these babies LOL. I thought they'd stop spawning after a batch, dang. Help lol.
145G C. Mobas, J. Marlieris, N. Leleupi
135G Blue Dolphins, C. Kigomas, P. Polleni, J. Marksmithi
75G Green Terrors
60G Peacocks & Haps
60G Brichardis
55G Tanganyika & Malawi Growouts
55G Cubans & Green Texas
45G Electric Blue Jack Dempseys
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby easywolf31 » Tue May 23, 2017 12:24 am

An update if anyone cares lol. So I gave up after 16 days and removed all the babies as I finally got the 40G setup and ready. I managed to save about 75 fry. The female must have been eating them as I saw her eat the last one, possibly the dad too. They seemed very happy that I took them away though. A day later (today) they spanwed on a new clean red slate I added. Man, this one's a huge spawn. I think I'll remove them after a week to 10 days this time. Now I need more tanks lol.



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145G C. Mobas, J. Marlieris, N. Leleupi
135G Blue Dolphins, C. Kigomas, P. Polleni, J. Marksmithi
75G Green Terrors
60G Peacocks & Haps
60G Brichardis
55G Tanganyika & Malawi Growouts
55G Cubans & Green Texas
45G Electric Blue Jack Dempseys
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Re: Need some advice on Hemichromis B lifalili (Blood-Red Je

Postby bhavik95 » Wed May 24, 2017 12:15 pm

Hi there congrats on your fry! i am having trouble getting my jewels to breed and i dont know what the reason is!
i bought them a while ago and then next day they ended up breeding but after that they have not bred since the male look interested but the female couldnt careless, i dont know why that is and what i could do?

could you please help me?

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