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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby DJRansome » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:28 am

He may not color up with the mbuna. My pundamilia (also an aggressive Vic) turned black...I eventually took him out and he is very colorful in his species tank. My flameback turned silver in a Malawi tank.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:41 pm

That's very interesting to know. Thank you DJ. My rock kribs have colored up so far but there are 2 of them. The only thing about it that I cant wrap my head around is that this fish turns black with many colors so how could it just stay silver/bland? Youd think it would at least turn into a darker color at the very minimum. I wouldn't mind having a all vic tank at some point but right now its not in the cards.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby DJRansome » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:50 pm

Being silver is trying to hide. My sub-dom males in the species tank are silver.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:52 pm

Im guessing the fact that it's tied for the smallest fish in the tank isn't helping things along either.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby witamygreatdanes » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:49 am

I'm not an expert by any means, but with the few vic's I've had so far, I've noticed that the males have black pelvic fins from about 1/2 inch on. Now that is just my own experience, I don't know if that is a fact or if it is always that way, but females at least as adults do have clear pelvic fins. Hope this helps.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby StructureGuy » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:16 pm

witamygreatdanes wrote:........... the few vic's I've had so far, I've noticed that the males have black pelvic fins from about 1/2 inch on.


That's a dominance/happiness thing to some extent. If the male isn't showing good body color he doesn't generally show black pelvic fins either.

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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby tranced » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:36 am

my sub dominant male thickskins just kind of look like a bleary dark colour, so it might be a male
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:39 pm

I decided to pick up 3 more thickskins. 2 for sure females and another suspect male. Im going to keep them in my 10 gallon together alone until they get a bit bigger. Very interested to see if they will change color living together. Right now they've been in my main tank while I've been waiting on my other tank to be ready. Neither of the suspect males look like they did in store but the females look the same as when I got them.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:23 pm

So its been almost a month since I got my extra thickskins, 4 in total. They've been in my main tank the whole time and never colored up. I had 2 that from the LFS were very dark like in the blurry photo I posted before. Theyre about 2" and I"ve put them in a 10 gallon to see if any of them will show colour. They all look like females to me with the most dominate one showing darker bars and darker pelvic fins.

How long should I wait with them in the 10g to see if they show color? I'll post pictures tomorrow.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:39 pm

So after seeing these fish for a month and in the tank on their own there was no way they were males. Finally I can put this thickskin ordeal behind me... I took 2 back to the store and exchanged them in for males. Here is a photo update, hope you guys like it! :fish: :thumb: :D

First my two remaining females...
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Next we have the two males in their bags still...
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...and finally straight out of the bag we have a fight between the two males. The darker male is actually the fish in the 2nd picture!
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Knockout by the underdog! Haha very happy to know I definitely have at least 1 male, finally. :lol:
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:22 pm

Well it seems like I probably have 3M:1F. After adding the 2 males in, one of my older fish colored up the next morning. I suspected the silver fish I called female might be a male.

Here he is after coloring up. Seems to have been fighting and is now the dominate fish in the tank.
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Since theres 3 males in there im going to take the new male that showed color while bagged and let him live in the main tank and hope he keeps coloring!
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby AC » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:47 pm

Chester B wrote:I know the supplier that this store gets their cichlids from. On their current list of tank raised victorian nothing jumped out at me as a match.

Haplochromis aneocolor yellow belly
Astato latifasciata albino zebra obliq
Astato latifasciata zebra obliquidens
Haplochromis sp. fire Uganda
Haplochromis sp. flameback

However I do know that they have been carrying Platytaeniodus sp. "red tail sheller". This species is characterized by an adult coloration of a blue body with a red tail. And the picture of your fish does have the same profile/body type as them, although isn't displaying the horizontal stripe. However this would be my guess at this point.

https://cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2587


I think you are right with the red tail sheller ID
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby JP_92 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:05 am

Aren't red tail shellers not that aggressive? These guys are extremely aggressive. Id be happy with either of them if they turn out that way but the females never had a horizontal stripe so im thinking thickskins. I also never saw a red tail sheller in the display tank. The nice thickskin picture from the display tank actually died and they replaced him with one of the fish from the batch I bought. He's bigger than my fish with some color showing, sadly I don't have a picture.
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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby StructureGuy » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:40 pm

AC wrote:I think you are right with the red tail sheller ID


The very first picture in this thread looked like it could possibly be a red tail sheller. But none of the pictures after that one look anything like a red tail sheller. Hap #44 are infamous cross-breeders and I really think you likely have a bunch of hybrid Hap #44's. Time will tell, but none of them look very good so far to me.

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Re: Haplochromis sp. #44 "thickskin"

Postby AC » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:45 pm

Some of the pictures do look like sub adult male or female Red Tail Shellers, others look like hybrids.

You are right about SP 44's being infamous cross breeders.

I was told they were actually messed up during the original collection/import.

The wrong females were collected as SP 44s.

I have yet to see any that have barring and coloration like wild caught specimens.
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