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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:21 pm
by Aspencer
My five new Mbipia cf Lutea (if that is what they are).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:36 pm
by GVSailor
Very Nice fish.
I have the same species ( if that is what they really are) I sent pictures to CARES and I should have a definitive answer on the exact name of the fish very soon.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:25 pm
by Aspencer
Please post when you have an answer...do mine look like yours??? These are 1 inch fish.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:49 pm
by GVSailor
They look exactly how mine did when they were that size.

I recently saw a picture of an adult male Mbipia cf Lutea yala Swamp Crossbar on dave schumacher's website that looked identical to my male. So hopefully that is what we have.

Do you mind me asking where you got yours?

Mine came from Willbo who started this post.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:25 pm
by Aspencer
I belong to a program called CAST which keeps the line of endangered species...I get the fish free so I do not own them...just raise them in donated tank space...breed them and pass the fry on...

USA Fish from texas..Kory Watkins....

We might try trading to strengthen the genetic line with some diversity.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:29 pm
by Aspencer
Largest of my brood of 5 is starting to get some maroon on the outer edges of the fins.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:22 pm
by GVSailor
Those look great!

I would be open to trading to improve the line. Do you know where that line originated? I talked to a friend I trust on the subject matter. He agreed that these are Mbipia Lutea cf Crossbar Yala Swamp.

http://www.africancichlids.net/articles/mbipia_lutea/ Here is a link to an article on them written by Greg Steeves

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:25 am
by Aspencer
Mine are from Texas, Daves Rare Fish has the same line from the same breeder. I belong to a group called CAST, site is USA Fish Box...we are raising endangered Lake Victorians to pass on..Yes I would be interested in trading fry but have none so far.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:59 pm
by samaki
Hi they are H.sp"cross bar Yala swamp" and not Mipia lutea at all....
xris :)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:30 pm
by Aspencer
Can you explain why they are not Mbipia cf Lutea...

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:10 pm
by samaki
Hi because of the body morphology, the body color and the fact that this fish is from Yala swamp, the Mbipia lutea was described by Bouton and Zwennes and is a strictly lithophilic species(saying that it doesn't live anywhere else apart rock reefs), the body color is very far from the Yala fish(lutea is a yellow species with a red flush on the upper flanks with a blue head and red finns, it's a compressed species growing to 14 cm long. the yala has red belly on a grey body color. In victorian's species, the body color is a part of the diagnose, if the fish doesn't exhibit the same body color then it's a different species. Who is the scientist who described them as Mbipia cf lutea Yala Swamp????
xris :)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:20 pm
by Aspencer
They came from Greg Steeves who has wrote a book on Victorians and has them in his book.

This is the fish we have. Mbipia cf. lutea Yala Swamp ''Crossbar'' 100% positive.

http://www.davesfish.com/images/Mbipia%20lutea.jpg

https://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/c ... africa.php

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:59 am
by samaki
Hi Greg is a friend and I've already told him that I don't agree to determine species without a scientists advice, particularly with those who worked with those species.
xris :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:02 pm
by KMX
Just b/c you don't agree does not mean you are right.......

http://www.africancichlids.net/articles/mbipia_lutea/

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:04 pm
by StructureGuy
Here is what my Mbipia lutea "Makobe Island" looks like:

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Feel free to compare the body shape etc yourself. No one is doubting that the fish you have is commonly being sold in the US as Mbipia cf lutea "Yala Swamp" crossbar. This forum is all about sharing experiences and opinions.

I think you will find that there are different opinions regarding many fish classifications even among the scientists studying them. I would imagine that the Victorians species classifications generate even more diverse opinions. But in the end, those doing the scientific studies tend to respect other opinions. I know that Greg Steeves and Samaki respect each others opinions and we only ask that the posters in this tread do the same.

Kevin