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noddy wrote:Are those Kekese red dorsal in the pic? Great looking Xeno. I've always wanted to try those.
Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:50 pm
sir_keith wrote:noddy wrote:Are those Kekese red dorsal in the pic? Great looking Xeno. I've always wanted to try those.
Yes, they are 'Kekese', which are generally called 'Red Royal.' There are several X. flavipinnis populations from other collection points (i. e. Kabogo) that have red or orange dorsal fins; I wouldn't be surprised if some of those are also called 'Red Dorsal,' but I'm not sure about that.
A Xeno on my 'to do' list would be X. nigrolabiata; absolutely stunning fish-
Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:14 pm
noddy wrote: ...Agreed on the cherry princess. I hope to get a group one day...
Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:12 pm
sir_keith wrote:Well, if you're willing to go to a tank with a 48" x 18" footprint, like a 70 or 75, that opens up more possibilities. Again, I have to point out that I've never kept any of my adult Xeno colonies in tanks less than 60" x 18", but based on my observations I feel pretty comfortable making the following suggestions.
X. bathyphilus are quite mellow, and not very skittish; I think they would be fine in a 48" x 18" tank. X. flavipinnis, which is a biparental mouthbrooder, might also work if you had 2 or possibly 3 established pairs, although I'm less sure about this. But the really good news if you're going to a 48" x 18" tank is that I think you might consider keeping Enantiopus.
I have two colonies of E. kilesa. The main breeding colony is shown below; it contains young adults that are about 2 years old. As you can see, there are a few rocks to provide shelter, but my personal preference is to use plants to define territories and break up sight lines.
This is a 125 (72" x 18") that contains 4 E. kilesa males as permanent residents, and I cycle females through the tank from my other large colony so there are usually 6-7 E. kilesa females in this tank at any given time. The tank also contains my breeding colony of wild-caught Ophthalmotilapia nasuta 'Kipili' Gold.
If you were to try Enantiopus in a 48" x 18" tank, I would suggest that you start out with 8-9 young fishes, and hope to get 3-4 males. These are schooling fishes, and you definitely need multiple males. The males will busy themselves with nest building and elaborate ritual displays, and will not really fuss with the females except when spawning. But the really great thing about Enantiopus is that intraspecific aggression is highly ritualized, and I have never seen one of these fishes damage a conspecific. It's amazing, really, and one of the reasons I think such a group would work in a smaller tank. Something for you to consider.
E. kilesa and its sibling species E. melanogenys are amongst the more commonly available 'Xeno's' (they were formerly assigned to that genus). E. kilesa has become the more popular of the two species owing to its bright yellow face, but both species are beautiful, and E. melanogenys tends to be less expensive.
So you do have choices. And just correct your impression that X. flavipinnis is not very colorful, I offer the following-
As for you setup questions-
8-9x overfiltration is plenty, as Xeno's are not very big fishes, and keeping nitrates around 20ppm should be no problem.
I use Aragonite as substrate in all my tanks.
It's no big deal to skip a day or two of feeding (in fact, I always schedule 3-4 'fasting' days per month for my Xeno's). I can't leave my fishroom unattended for longer than that, so have a house-sitter.
It's really important not to shock the fishes during water changes.
It's really important not to overfeed Xenotilapia.
Good luck, and have fun! These are challenging fishes, but worth the effort.
Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:20 am
Fogelhund wrote: ...I've got a group of flavipinnis, and they frankly hate each other. I've tried them in a 4ft 75 gallon, and now in a flat 6ft 125 gallon... neither is working out very well, and I doubt most types would do well in a 40G breeder. They are healthy, but man, do they like to fight...
Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:54 am
sir_keith wrote:Fogelhund wrote: ...I've got a group of flavipinnis, and they frankly hate each other. I've tried them in a 4ft 75 gallon, and now in a flat 6ft 125 gallon... neither is working out very well, and I doubt most types would do well in a 40G breeder. They are healthy, but man, do they like to fight...
That's really interesting. How many of the X. flavipinnis are you keeping together? Are they adults?. Are any of them paired off? And are they just being aggressive, or actually damaging each other? It seems that people have very different experiences with this species, and I am at a loss to understand why, but it seems that the critical issue is whether pair bond formation has occurred.
The only other biparental Xeno adults that I have at present are X. spilopterus, and they behave very differently. Granted, they are more of an open water fish than a bottom dweller, but my X. spilopterus colony is very happy in a 125, and they get along just fine, even though spawning takes place regularly. Go figure.
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