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150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby lwl » Tue May 22, 2012 1:19 pm

Hi guys i wanna share my another new setup of cichlid tank in my restaurant,here are the spec:
Tank: 150x35x60
Substrat: Gravel small and large
Rocks: Sulawesi Rocks
Filter :JBL Crystal profil 1500
WM: 2x Jebo 2100
Lights: Aquazonic LED sirius 150 cm

Fish: Mix african and american Cichlid

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Please help me id my cichlid because i really don't know much about cichlid's name, Thanks...

Enjoy...
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby jd lover » Tue May 22, 2012 1:31 pm

way crowded and a bunch of random mixes. i suggest you do research next time
no medicine works better than clean water.
no such thing as too much clean water, so go do a water change now.
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby fmueller » Tue May 22, 2012 1:45 pm

lwl wrote:Hi guys i wanna share my another new setup of cichlid tank in my restaurant, [...]

Please help me id my cichlid because i really don't know much about cichlid's name


Welcome to CF! Obviously the tank looks great right now, and the customers of your restaurant will be delighted. Pretty much all juvenile cichlids can be kept together in the same tank, bu this is no longer true when the fish mature and show adult behavior. Knowing what cichlids you have is not only a fun exercise and a means to make conversation when folks ask what they are, but it is important to have that knowledge in order to make good stocking choices. Obviously for that purpose you need to have the knowledge before you buy the fish! In your case one needs no crystal ball to see plenty of sick, injured and dead fish in your future. As a restaurant customer, I find sitting next to a tank of unhealthy and dead fish very off putting, and I have a hunch I am not alone in this.

As for IDing fish in your tank, sorry, there are simply too many fish in that tank and too many problems to be addressed in a single post. You have fish that prefer soft water and those that prefer hard, vegetarians next to those needing a high protein diet, hyperactive fish next to those that are very docile and shy, and plenty of fish that will outgrow your tank in a short period of time. I suggest starting to read in the library section of this site, or picking up any beginners book on cichlids. If you are not interested in fish so much, but just want a conversation piece for your restaurant, I would strongly suggest hiring a competent aquarium maintenance firm that can take care of the tank for you, including stocking.

I am sorry if all of this comes over as a bit harsh, but there is no point in skirting the truth since you are truly looking at a tank full of disasters waiting to happen!

All the best!
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby lwl » Tue May 22, 2012 2:07 pm

fmueller wrote:
lwl wrote:Hi guys i wanna share my another new setup of cichlid tank in my restaurant, [...]

Please help me id my cichlid because i really don't know much about cichlid's name


Welcome to CF! Obviously the tank looks great right now, and the customers of your restaurant will be delighted. Pretty much all juvenile cichlids can be kept together in the same tank, bu this is no longer true when the fish mature and show adult behavior. Knowing what cichlids you have is not only a fun exercise and a means to make conversation when folks ask what they are, but it is important to have that knowledge in order to make good stocking choices. Obviously for that purpose you need to have the knowledge before you buy the fish! In your case one needs no crystal ball to see plenty of sick, injured and dead fish in your future. As a restaurant customer, I find sitting next to a tank of unhealthy and dead fish very off putting, and I have a hunch I am not alone in this.

As for IDing fish in your tank, sorry, there are simply too many fish in that tank and too many problems to be addressed in a single post. You have fish that prefer soft water and those that prefer hard, vegetarians next to those needing a high protein diet, hyperactive fish next to those that are very docile and shy, and plenty of fish that will outgrow your tank in a short period of time. I suggest starting to read in the library section of this site, or picking up any beginners book on cichlids. If you are not interested in fish so much, but just want a conversation piece for your restaurant, I would strongly suggest hiring a competent aquarium maintenance firm that can take care of the tank for you, including stocking.

I am sorry if all of this comes over as a bit harsh, but there is no point in skirting the truth since you are truly looking at a tank full of disasters waiting to happen!

All the best!


Thanks for your opinion, can i ask which type of cichlid can be kept together with adult frontosa? because maybe in the future i prefer keep frontosa until they are mature with other cichlid that compatible....
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby phister » Tue May 22, 2012 2:24 pm

oh my goodness!

you need to take that tank down asap, that's a disaster in a tank!

in the future, you're not gonna be able to keep anything in that tank
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby lwl » Tue May 22, 2012 2:43 pm

What should I do now?? I want to keep frontosa so which fish do can be kept together?
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby jd lover » Tue May 22, 2012 2:52 pm

correct me if im wrong (dont know much about africans) but dont fronts gets huge? (oscar size wise?) and not sure on the temperment of them but i would say a few fronts would be overcrowding your tank as is let alone tankmates
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby phister » Tue May 22, 2012 2:59 pm

you need at least a 5-6ft(60"-72" inch) tank to at least keep them successfully cause they do get quite large.

not to mention, you have all those fish that grow out to be 6"+ in a 150cm tank...
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby newforestrob » Tue May 22, 2012 3:31 pm

I would keep all the male haps and peacocks (from lake Malawi)no two of the same and the yellow lab,post pictures in the unidentified folder of the ones you may be unsure of,I was at a restaurant the other day with a great looking all male tank,that I asked to sit next to :thumb:
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby jd lover » Tue May 22, 2012 3:37 pm

newforestrob wrote:I would keep all the male haps and peacocks (from lake Malawi)no two of the same and the yellow lab,post pictures in the unidentified folder of the ones you may be unsure of,I was at a restaurant the other day with a great looking all male tank,that I asked to sit next to :thumb:


so how many of those bad boys did you manage to sneak home? =p
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby AulonoKarl » Tue May 22, 2012 4:01 pm

Trophs, mbuna, haps, peacocks, blood parrots... yeah just not a great idea. It's a shame, because you've got some beautiful fish in there!
To answer your question about keeping the frontosas... this tank is about a foot wide. Frontosas get to be about a foot long. I prefer to give my fish at least enough room to turn around.

As has been mentioned, do your research first. I personally think an all male peacock/hap tank would be nice for a restaurant, and you already have some beautiful ones, but you really have to keep an eye on this type of tank and know what you're getting into. Really any tank, especially any african cichlid tank, requires a lot of attention. You have to be aware of what kind of behavior is going on in the tank.

I think you did a wonderful job with the rocks, lighting, and overall layout. It really looks nice, even the fish look spectacular, but if there is peace in the tank right now, I wouldn't expect it to last very long. The tropheus would be my primary concern. Haps/peacocks are pretty peaceful. Their aggression is pretty much limited to chasing and mild fin nipping. Tropheus prefer to grab another fish by the mouth and try to tear it off. You need to have fish that are all pretty much on the same level.
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby AulonoKarl » Tue May 22, 2012 4:17 pm

Also, I'll help you out a little bit with the fish. I only know some of them.

1st is Nimbochromis venustus
2nd I was thinking is a blue neon that isn't showing much yellow, but I'm not sure.
3rd is a blood parrot
4th looks either like some sort of Labidochromis caeruleus hybrid, or just one that is very unhealthy. I'm not sure.
5th is some species of Tropheus
6th is a Labidochromis caeruleus
7th... I'm not great at mbuna. Not sure.
8th is a jewel cichlid
9th and 10th I'm not real sure.
And 11th is obviously a frontosa.
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby skwerl » Tue May 22, 2012 4:31 pm

9th Dimidiochromis? (Malawi Eyebiter)
10th CA/SA - JD or Acara maybe?
12th Neolamprologus cylindricus
13th Convict
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby fmueller » Tue May 22, 2012 5:29 pm

lwl wrote:Thanks for your opinion, can i ask which type of cichlid can be kept together with adult frontosa? because maybe in the future i prefer keep frontosa until they are mature with other cichlid that compatible....


Frontosa grow to about 15 inches (about 40cm). They do best in groups of 1-2 males and the more females the better, 3-4 at least. To house them adequately, you need a tank of at least a 6 foot (about 180cm) length that is wider than the fish are long, so they can comfortably turn around. If you want to keep tank mates in addition to the Fronts, the tank needs to be a lot bigger. Also keep in mind that:

- Fronts might try to eat any fish that fits into their mouth, so any small fish in the tank with them is at risk;
- Fronts are slow moving, docile fish. Any hyperactive fish like Tropheus or Mbuna will stress them out, and a stressed fish will be prone to illness;
- Fronts prefer a protein rich diet, which makes veggie eaters like Tropheus and Mbuna sick.
- Fronts are deep water fish who will dart off in reckless abandon when they are spooked for some reason. They will crash violently into rocks and glass, which might make them less than ideal for a restaurant environment.

For an active and colorful restaurant display tank, I would stock an assortment of mbuna. They are easy to maintain and a always offer stunning looks. They might not be your most exotic choice, but in my view you really couldn't do wrong with them.
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Re: 150cm Fake Reef Cichlid Tank

Postby Charden » Tue May 22, 2012 9:33 pm

Why? Just why would you do that?
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