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Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Sun May 06, 2012 3:28 pm

It seems that over the last few months my mineral deposit in water has risen. If the water circulates I end up with everything getting covered in white. The top water in the tank gets little white things that adhere to each other or just group up.

I'm interested in ideas to remove the deposits to prevent build up and getting everything gunked up.. I have a ro unit but do not really want to use it. Just because of the hassle.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby vann59 » Sun May 06, 2012 6:49 pm

It would be good to have more information. Like how often you change the water, and how much? Do you add water when it runs low instead of doing a water change? What is the current hardness and pH, and alkalinity? If the water in the tank is a lot harder than you tap water, then perhaps you are adding too much of something to it, or topping off the tank when it's low and thereby increasing hardness.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Sun May 06, 2012 10:37 pm

vann59 wrote:It would be good to have more information. Like how often you change the water, and how much? Do you add water when it runs low instead of doing a water change? What is the current hardness and pH, and alkalinity? If the water in the tank is a lot harder than you tap water, then perhaps you are adding too much of something to it, or topping off the tank when it's low and thereby increasing hardness.


New tank, non cycled, also happens with water storage container. Not adding anything to the water don't need to at this time. I'll have to get a kit and test, I have kept cichlids before with no issues.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Mon May 07, 2012 10:24 am

I'm starting to think my only option is to hook up my ro unit. I have hooked it up or tested water after hooking it up, I am thinking I will need to mix stuff in to make the water ph higher, harder...etc...
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Mon May 07, 2012 10:51 am

I have NOT hooked it up or tested the water after hooking it up. I can't edit it.. :(
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby vann59 » Mon May 07, 2012 11:05 am

I would test the water before making changes to it. The visual clue of seeing white stuff is not specific enough to know what, if any changes need to be made to the water chemistry. Routine water testing should be a given for healthy fish at any rate. I have seen similar white stuff at times myself, but not that often. Calcium can precipitate out of solution, and is especially prone to appear as a scale at the water line, and may float around a bit. Unless you have a lot, it may not present a threat at all.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby Deeda » Mon May 07, 2012 11:16 am

I would recommend purchasing a kH & gH test kit so that you can get an idea on your water quality.

Since this has been a relatively recent problem, I have a couple of additional questions. Have you noticed any reduced water pressure when using the faucets or shower in your home? Is the problem occuring only in the aquariums or throughout the house?

Do you know how old your hot water heater is and is it gas or electric?
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Mon May 07, 2012 11:26 am

Pressure in the house seems fine.

Water heater is gas.

Normal water ( house water ) goes through a water softener. I currently have a 65 gal tank running and are happy fish or seem happy. I noticed the "harder" water when attempting to leak test a new tank I'm setting up.

My water that I use in my aquariums goes through a sediment filter into a storage tank. I then heat the water and aerate it. Using this water I am also now seeing more build up than has previously occurred.

My 65 gal has no issues, some buildup on the glass lids, but nothing too strange.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby vann59 » Mon May 07, 2012 11:34 am

It may be that if you skip the sediment filter (which could have a lot of sediment in the bottom causing the problem) and also the storage tank, unless you can see that it is completely clean inside, then you may solve the problem.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby Deeda » Mon May 07, 2012 11:35 am

OK, I would definitely look into getting the test kits I suggested to see what the general hardness and alkalinity of your water is. It does sound like calcium precipitating out of the water as suggested above.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Mon May 07, 2012 11:44 am

vann59 wrote:It may be that if you skip the sediment filter (which could have a lot of sediment in the bottom causing the problem) and also the storage tank, unless you can see that it is completely clean inside, then you may solve the problem.


The sediment filter canister is transparent so no build up in the bottom. Also put in a new filter which result it some of the water to be milky white. I didn't rinse it before installing it.

New storage tank as well, went from a 55 gal drum to a 100g rubbermaid storage tank.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Mon May 07, 2012 11:46 am

Deeda wrote:OK, I would definitely look into getting the test kits I suggested to see what the general hardness and alkalinity of your water is. It does sound like calcium precipitating out of the water as suggested above.



Anyway to reduce this down ?

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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Mon May 07, 2012 12:18 pm

it may not be so bad with fish in it. I'll let live with the water as is.. hasn't hurt my fish yet.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby vann59 » Tue May 08, 2012 6:33 pm

If you have a brand new filter, and you have bio media, like perhaps ceramic rings, and you didn't pre-rinse it, then it could be coming off that new media.
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Re: Hard water looking for ideas?

Postby pharrix » Wed May 09, 2012 4:30 pm

I'll post some pictures of my storage tank tonight. or in the morning. I'm thinking of just letting it go, but it makes the water look dirty.
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