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Postby lilcountrygal » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:18 pm

I actually think I'm at the end of my ich battle. This morning the spots were significantly decreased in the catfish. I found it very early tho. From what I read, catfish/loaches seem to get it quicker than regular fish and I saw the spots develop on the catfish. Never did they "act" sick, they all still ate, etc. Had I not known what ich was, I may have delayed the "treatment" until the fish were distressed. I save the meds for when I dont catch it as early as I did.

I didnt quarantine it because my quarantine tank currently has some Rustys in that I just received who werent exposed to ich. I couldnt delay getting the Rustys, and didnt want to put them in the tank with ich. I have used the meds before, and would never dismiss the thought of using them. I just wanted to see how successful this method is prior to adding chemicals to the tank.
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Postby RifterFish » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:22 pm

Well, that is good. I've been thinking about getting some rusty Cichlids. Do they looks as pretty as they do on the websites? Or are they more dull in color?
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Postby lilcountrygal » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:56 pm

RifterFish wrote:Well, that is good. I've been thinking about getting some rusty Cichlids. Do they looks as pretty as they do on the websites? Or are they more dull in color?


I absolutely love my Rustys. My favorites, actually. They arent dull in the least. The males have more of a purplish/rust tint to them and the females look more rust. I even have small ones (one and a half inches) and they're colorful. Beautiful fish... I highly recommend them. But, I guess I am a little bias :D
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125 G - XP4 and AquaTop CF-500UV - 5 Pseudotropheus Williamsi North, 5 Labeotropheus Fuelleborni, 4 Lab. Hongi, 4 C. Moori, 1 Acei Ngara, Red Empress, Venustus
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Postby 13razorbackfan » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:20 pm

Remember...keep doing the treatments for 5-7 days after ICH is no longer visible.
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Postby 13razorbackfan » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:20 pm

strat guy wrote:I got hit with a bout of ich a month ago from some Wal-mart red eye tetras (...learned my lesson...). I raised the temp up to 85F and was treating with Aquarisol with only mild results. I switched to Mardel Coppersafe, and bang, it was gone in like 2 days. I would try that. I've used it in the past for other things, and its a pretty strong product. Most LFS should carry it, but I don't think the big guys do (PetSmart, Petco).
I had success with coppersafe as well.
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Postby SNDMN8Z » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:27 am

I have one fish that visibly has ich and a few that are flashing and some that are staying closer to the top of the tank. I want to try this heat/salt treatment first and go from there. With the salt, do I add it right away or wait til the tank reaches higher temps? I have increased the heater from 78 to 80 as of now so I am waiting for the water to heat up. Thanks for the help. P.S ICH sux!
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Postby RifterFish » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:31 am

Cool! You helped me make my decision on the Rusty Cichlids. I've been looking for some new, unique colors and these sound great. I haven't seen any males yet, but they sound awesome. Going to order some tomorrow. Thanks!
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Postby 13razorbackfan » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:32 am

SNDMN8Z wrote:I have one fish that visibly has ich and a few that are flashing and some that are staying closer to the top of the tank. I want to try this heat/salt treatment first and go from there. With the salt, do I add it right away or wait til the tank reaches higher temps? I have increased the heater from 78 to 80 as of now so I am waiting for the water to heat up. Thanks for the help. P.S ICH sux!
You can start to add it now....and add 1tbl per 5 gallons. Dissolve in tank water first and add some every few hours until you reach your 1tbl per 5 gallons.

Also...if your fish are at the top of the tank already then I would make sure you have GREAT aeration in your tank because heated water holds less O2. You can drop your water line a couple inches and let the filters drop off and splash into the tank water. That will help. As for everything else be sure to read the thread for other pointers.
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Postby SNDMN8Z » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:40 am

Thanks Razor, Ill get started with everything else.
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Postby Hoosier Tank » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:21 am

Thanks for the thread...
I have just restocked my tank with 11 new babies from the fish store for just under two weeks. Day before yesterday I noticed a white spot on both of the 2" Texas... not a bunch of little spots but one larger one on each side of both fish. (Larger than a grain of salt by a long way) so I started the research and close observation.
Yesterday when I got home I noticed one was labored breathing. By the end of the night it was laying on the bottom. I set up my quarentine tank and snatched him out (too late I am sure). Now I see the grains of salt size specs on a couple others. :x
This morning I raised the tank temp from 80 to 84 and will pick up some salt and/or meds on the the way home. Bad part is the tank is a 180g and with the sump I am looking at about 210g so the salt may be the most economical way to go. Just so I got this straight, I should add 40-42 Tablespoons of salt?
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Postby lilcountrygal » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:59 am

I added two tablespoons of Aquarium salt to 5 gallons (razor... is that too much? I see you suggested 1... the article, I believe, said 2-3. I went with 2). If I should be removing some water, let me know.

I'll definitely treat for at least another week. The spots are gone from the catfish.

All others battling the ich.... Id raise, as razor suggested to me, the temp up to at least 86. I put in about half a cup of the dissolved salt water every 15-20 minutes over the course of a few hours. When you do water changes, replace the salt that you took out.

And, most of all, dont be discouraged if you dont see improvement. It took many days before I even noticed a decrease in the ich. I held strong because, even tho I didnt see any decrease, it wasnt spreading either. Ich multiplies fast, so if you dont see it spreading significantly, Id say you're on the right track.
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125 G - XP4 and AquaTop CF-500UV - 5 Pseudotropheus Williamsi North, 5 Labeotropheus Fuelleborni, 4 Lab. Hongi, 4 C. Moori, 1 Acei Ngara, Red Empress, Venustus
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Postby SNDMN8Z » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:40 am

Good to know....I hope I have the same success. I am still waiting on the water to temp to rise. I will be gettnig the salt on the way home from work to day to add in the tank.

Any suggestions on the 3 Ruby Reds I have being delivered hopefully today. My 75g is the only tank that i have set up at this time. I have a 10g but its out in the garage empty. Should I use a container with the water the fish came in and slowly add water to increase water volume and heat/airrate(sp) that to keep them out of the 75g?

So discouraged at this point but I guess I just have to deal with it and fix my issues!

Thanks.
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Postby Hoosier Tank » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:40 am

Thanks for the feedback lilcountrygal
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29g Tangs-J. marlieri, L. ocellatus (blue), A. calvus (black), N. pulcher (Daffodil)

2x10g Fry
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Postby lilcountrygal » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:21 pm

SNDMN8Z wrote:Any suggestions on the 3 Ruby Reds I have being delivered hopefully today. My 75g is the only tank that i have set up at this time. I have a 10g but its out in the garage empty. Should I use a container with the water the fish came in and slowly add water to increase water volume and heat/airrate(sp) that to keep them out of the 75g?



This is SO probably the wrong advice, but..... my husband brought me home a yellow lab from Petsmart the same day he brought me Rustys from a fellow poster on the board. I didnt want to put the yellow lab in with the Rustys, so I acclimated the yellow lab to the tank water very slowly (the tank with ich). Its not recommended, but I really had no other choice... gamble with the Rustys or gamble with the yellow lab. The lab is doing awesome, never showed any type of distress at all. But, I DID catch my ich fairly early. I read that ich will attack catfish/loaches first and I caught my ich then, before it even spread to the cichlids other than a few spots here and there.

with the salt/heat method, you're looking at least two weeks of treatment.... you'd have to keep the Ruby Reds out of the main tank for at least that long. If you cant get the 10 gallon up in time, you have to do what you have to do. I hope someone with more experience will post on if the container would work, if I were you, Id wait for a more experience poster to answer that question. I just wanted to give you my experience.
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125 G - XP4 and AquaTop CF-500UV - 5 Pseudotropheus Williamsi North, 5 Labeotropheus Fuelleborni, 4 Lab. Hongi, 4 C. Moori, 1 Acei Ngara, Red Empress, Venustus
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Postby SNDMN8Z » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:27 pm

Any thing works for me right now. Thanks.
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