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TKC747



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would get male peacocks at a very early age, 3/4 inch to 2.5 inch. and no female peacocks. I believe peacocks get big as 5 or 6 inches so thats a ways to go. I am no expert but I tried to warn you about this in the earlier thread, Go back to it and read what I said about putting juveniles of each species in their own tank and then taking out the males and putting them in a male only show tank, I don't think identifying female haps is as much of a problem as identifying female peacocks. So If you want 3 species of peacocks as unsexed juveniles, you need three tanks on top of the show tank to know that each species of female peacocks are identifiable. If you buy peacockl juveniles before they are sexed and mix them in one tank, you probably will not be able to get rid of the females because you won't be able to convince anyone you know the species they are from.

Sorry for being long winded but if you want to do it right, you need to consider these factors.

As for female haps being colorful, I don't know, perhaps DJRansome or Fogelhund will answer this for you Embarrassed
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick0604 wrote
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The fish I plan to get are:
Copadichromis borleyi Borleyi Yellow Fin

Protomelas sp. "Steveni Imperial"
Imperial Tigress

Placidochromis Electra
Electra "Deep Water Hap

Otopharynx lithobates (Red Blaze)
Red Blaze Lithobates


Aulonocara Sp. Fire Fish Dragon Blood
Fire Fish Dragon Blood

Aulonocara Baenschi
Sunshine Peacock Benga Yellow

Aulonocara Stuartgranti (Ngara) Orange
Ngara Flametail Orange


DJRansome, can the females of these particular aulonocara species be identified by finnage and shape by an expert? I tried to warn nick0604 about his plan of getting juveniles, that 1/16 probabilty that he will get all females if unsexed and that he will have a real hard time getting rid of the females if mixed (as you did) He also wants to know if female haps are colorful
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it be okay to get 3 male of each aulonocara around 2-3 inches, then get 4 of each haps that are juveniles around 1-1.5 inches?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Female haps are not colorful as male haps acc to Fogelhund
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hap and peacock females are silver or brown, thus the popularity of all male tanks with them.

Three males of the same type in one tank will fight. You might keep them until one becomes dominant but then he will likely attack the others.

I just had that issue with my peacocks, I bought six juvies and kept them a year while they grew up. Turned out I had all males. Within the last month I had to remove all but one. Added 3 adult, sexed females and they were holding within one week.

Regarding ID of females by an expert? I bought juvie peacocks one time from an expert who swore he/she could do this. Let's just say it will be the last time, LOL.
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nick0604



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, so I am going to buy my fish tonight and have decided to go back to an all male tank, spend a little extra so I get all males. I am going for a haps and peacock mixture, 1 male of different smaller species for a total of 15 fish. I will add another 15 or so when I get the money in a month or two and rearrange the rocks before I put the new ones in. Can't wait till Saturday! I may add a male yellow lab and rusty in the near future as my local fish store sells these fish. I think I have made a better decision. Sorry for switching my mind so much, but have learned a lot from this. The tank is pretty much ready to go ph is 7.8 still rising, temps are 78-80F, gh and kh are good, no nitrites or nitrates.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good. I edited out the vendor name.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here is the final list, one of each fish and I talked to the fish guy and he suggested to go with some small mbuna also:
small: (2 inches)
Afra Cobue
Demasoni
Electric Yellow
Elongatus Jewel Spot
Joanjohnsonae
Red Top Hongi
Red Zebra
Rusty
Snow White

[b]Premium:[/b] (3 inches)
Aristo Yellow Blaze (zimbawe rock)
Borleyi Mbenji
Hap. Insignus.
Hap. Pheno
Venustus

Blue Neon Chiwindi
Chiloelo Red Shoulder
Ngara Flametail (Mdoka Yellow)
OB Peacock (Hybrid)
Sunshine Peacock Benga Yellow
Yellow Collar Peacock
Albino Lemon Jake

Obliquiden Thick Skin, Red Fin

Adult: (4-5 inches)
Regal Blue
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised
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nick0604



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank ph is now 8.0
ammonia is at .25 ppm
nitrites at .25
nitrates are about 10-20
Temps at 78-81 degrees F

Adding fish on Saturday, hopefully all will go well! do you think I should put an ammonia remover in the filter as I am adding all these fish at once?

Also, what kind of food should I get for these fish?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't you rather wait until the tank is cycled to add the fish? I would not add ammonia remover.

New Life Spectrum Cichlid Formula is a popular choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick told me in a pm that the tank is cycled, he's using a filter that had been running in a cycled tank...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick0604 wrote:
ammonia is at .25 ppm
nitrites at .25
Then why is this happening?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the filters and bio wheels I am using are from a cycled tank. I do have 1 fish in it now for a few days and it seems fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJRansome wrote:
nick0604 wrote:
ammonia is at .25 ppm
nitrites at .25
Then why is this happening?


Probably because in the aquaclear 500 there was no biological filtration, only chemical and mechanical. I added ceramic rings to the filter when I first got it and now everything seems to be alright. The ammonia has dropped to untraceable levels as has the nitrites. I also stopped feeding the tank the last 2 days and my nitrates have dropped to a steady 10 or below.
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