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monsterjta



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: CO2 levels - do they matter? Reply with quote

I've read various posts about CO2, and am confused as to whether a non-planted (rock-only) aquarium needs to a certain level of CO2. I have 16 cichlids; 8 yellow lab and 8 Acei. According to my measurements, I had about 4.0 CO2 about 1 month ago, and today CO2 is at 0.9.

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Jonathan Almquist
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

only have to worry about having too much if you don't have plants
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monsterjta



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What level of CO2 is considered too much in this case (no plants)?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do your fish look like they are gasping for air?
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monsterjta



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't appear to be. But I may not know what a fish gasping for air looks like.

Is there a more scientific method for determining ideal CO2 levels?
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monsterjta



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'm jsut misinterpreting the charts. I'm assuming there should be some CO2, but these levels I've tested were so low, I thought there must be something wrong with my test results. I guess CO2 should never be at any significant levels in a non-planted aquarium. That being the case, I suppose I should never really even be concerned about CO2 levels.

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D.T.M



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont worry about it mate....
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cjacob316



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

only plants need co2 so not having much is not a bad thing, i have never used a co2 test kit because in all honesty it's a waste without plants, so i don't know what the numbers mean on it. as long as the fish have oxygen in the water they will be fine
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Rhinox



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i have never used a co2 test kit


I'm not sure a co2 test kit is really necessary anyways. I believe you can calculate the co2 by knowing the pH and KH values. The tetra laborette contains a table that tells you what the co2 is for a given pH and KH value.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CO2 off gasses quite quickly so unless you are pumping it into your tank for plant growth you don't need to worry about it as it relates to fish. Even then, I haven't ever heard of any actual fish damage from CO2 addition.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well it's more that if co2 is high then oxygen is low, only so much can be disolved in the water
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monsterjta



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I think I understand now that CO2 isn't a concern in my non-planted tank. If I decide to plant a tank in the future, I'll have to revisit this topic.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

monsterjta wrote:
If I decide to plant a tank in the future, I'll have to revisit this topic.


The addition of CO2 is not require to have plants in your aquarium. Some platns do better with it, but its not add CO2 or no plants.
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under_control



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhinox wrote:
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i have never used a co2 test kit


I'm not sure a co2 test kit is really necessary anyways. I believe you can calculate the co2 by knowing the pH and KH values. The tetra laborette contains a table that tells you what the co2 is for a given pH and KH value.
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You CAN "calculate" it this way, but it is very dependent on so many factors that it is no where near accurate. That being said, in a non planted tank, unless you are ADDING co2, you'll never be in the danger zone. It out gases so quick that it is irrelevant.
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Rhinox



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

under_control wrote:
Rhinox wrote:
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i have never used a co2 test kit


I'm not sure a co2 test kit is really necessary anyways. I believe you can calculate the co2 by knowing the pH and KH values. The tetra laborette contains a table that tells you what the co2 is for a given pH and KH value.
'


You CAN "calculate" it this way, but it is very dependent on so many factors that it is no where near accurate.


hmm... good to know. I just saw the sheet in the test kit, but I never really gave it another thought since I have no reason to worry about co2 in my mbuna tank.
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