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Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:11 pm

Hi. I have had a 75 gallon (48 x 18) tank set up as a mbuna tank for the last several years. I had yellow labs and yellow tail acei with a BN pleco and some dwarf petricola. Most of my stock has died off from old age and my friend has taken the remaining so now I am trying to plan for restocking the 75. I have always kept mbuna and am now trying to decide if I want to stock those again or if I want to try an all male hap/peacock tank. I would be buying fish already starting to show color if I go that hap/peacock route. Following are 2 different stocking lists I came up with for the 75. Please critique these, suggest other things, etc. Any constructive input welcome including numbers of fish for a 75, etc.

For mbuna tank:
Yellow labs or white labs (Nkhata Bay)
Either Metriaclima callainos OR Cynotilapia sp. Hara (whichever is lower aggression).
May add some rusties but unsure. I really liked the larger numbers of 2 species before.
1 BN pleco
6 to 8 Synodontis petricola

I know there is always aggression with mbuna. I just don't want this to be a super aggressive tank with fish getting killed.

For All Male Hap/Peacock:
Aulonacara Baenschi
Protomelas sp. Steveni Taiwan
Aulonocara Stuartgranti Undu
Aulonacara Stuartgranti flame tail Ngara
Copadichromis mloto ivory head
Placidochromis Electra
Aulonocara rubescens
Otopharynx lithobates
Tramitchromis intermedius
BN pleco and dwarf synos as above

I have no idea how many fish total of the male Haps/peacocks I can keep comfortably in a 75. I know only 1 male of each species but not sure if my list is too many fish or if they are compatible.

Input for pros and cons of mbuna versus male hap/peacock welcome too. Thanks!
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby DJRansome » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:03 pm

You want maybe 3 more fish for all-male in a 75G. I like your list, and they include some of the more timid species. I found the Taiwan too aggressive for my group.

I'd choose the hara for the mbuna tank.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Petricola
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33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Maingano; 33G Cobue
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:26 am

Thanks! Any suggestions for the 3 additional fish for the all male?
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:40 am

And also a possible replacement for the Taiwan if he is too aggressive for that group.
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby DJRansome » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:12 am

Aulonocara turkis.
Placidochromis marginatus.
Yellow Lab.
Acei.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Petricola
55G Chrysonotus; 38G Demasoni
33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Maingano; 33G Cobue
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:23 pm

Do you or anyone else know anything about Melanochromis kaskazini Kirondo? It looks like the males turn almost lavender purple as adults whil females are blue with black stripes. I see that a vendor has some for sale but I am having a hard time finding info on them othe than the species profile here which says they are non territorial. Thought it may look nice with yellow or white labs. Anyone know anything about them?
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:24 pm

Or with Williami North.
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby DJRansome » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:37 pm

Most mbuna will be too aggressive for haps and peacocks, especially the timid selections you have made. Yellow labs and acei are likely to work. Melanochromis and Williamsi I would avoid, unless you decide to make it a mbuna tank instead.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Petricola
55G Chrysonotus; 38G Demasoni
33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Maingano; 33G Cobue
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:58 pm

Sorry for not being clearer. I meant if I went with the mbuna only tank instead.
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:51 pm

Any input based on those mbuna species based on them being in a mbuna tank only?
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby DJRansome » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:33 pm

If you are looking for the lowest aggression fish possible, I would not choose Melanochromis or Williamsi.

According to the pictures on info sites that are not vendors, as well as written descriptions, male is blue and female is white with black stripes. Maybe just the lighting in the vendor pic gave a purple tinge?

I do think it would be a workable mix...williamsi, kaskazinsi and white labs in a 75G. 1m:7f of each. Only one blue fish though.
125G Borleyi, Maleri, Astatotilapia, Multipunctata
75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Petricola
55G Chrysonotus; 38G Demasoni
33G Hara; 33G Kwanga; 33G Maingano; 33G Cobue
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:45 pm

I think this may be a different variant. I know we can't post vendor's names here but I can PM you the link.
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby kw70 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:57 pm

Looking again you may be right that it is just the lighting. Not sure. I now need to somehow decide between a mbuna and peacock/hap tank. Tough decision.
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Re: Mbuna Or Haps/Peacocks?

Postby Bernese » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:46 am

I have a Williamsi Makonde in my Peacock/Hap/Mbuna tank & he is doing great! With them being all males, he keeps a checkerboard pattern with it being weaker in color depending on his mood! Lol.
I have 2 Yellow Labs, 1 Rustie, 1 Daktari, 1 Pearl White, 1 Albino Socolofi, 1 Elongatus Usisya Mbenji Brown, 1 Yellow Top Mbamba, 1 Yellow Tail & ! White Tail all in with my Peacocks & Haps! So it an be done & no one is overly aggressive bc it is overstocked as well.
30g Metriaclima callainos (Pearl & Blue), Jalo Reef Afra, Maingano, Lace Synodontis & Yoyo Loach
55g All Male Mbuna/Hap/Peacock, Lucipinnis, RN Pleco & Red Tail Shark
5g Male Betta & Otocinclus
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