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Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby farmhand » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:59 pm

Stocking a 50 gal (48"long x 17.5" wide x 19.5" deep)
Would putting these two breeding groups together be asking for trouble?
-Pseudotropheus elongatus "Chewere"
-Cynotilapia hara gallireya reef

I can get both of the above for a good price. Would also add a 3rd group.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby farmhand » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:46 pm

Also note that I am NOT planning on selling or trading any offspring. Thinking the 3rd group might be Yellow Lab.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby noki » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:29 pm

Probably okay, somewhat similar except one is much darker than average, one much lighter than average barred Mbuna. Then Yellow labs would be a really good way to fill up the crowd.

I like the idea, cool fish, I would give it a try, but of there is no guarantee that one male will not get too obnoxious with Mbuna. Not sure that your dimensions add up to a 50 gallon tank. Of course, the bigger the tank, the better.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby DJRansome » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:31 pm

My hara were NOT happy with demasoni and I wonder if another blue barred and aggressive species like elongates might work out the same. FWIW.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby farmhand » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:20 am

noki wrote: Not sure that your dimensions add up to a 50 gallon tank.

Your right. It's 48"L x 14.5"D x 16" T
I also have a 75 gallon 48" long tank I could use but had other plans for it.
I mixed and matched the dimensions from two different tanks ,but then I have part-timers. :wink:
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby farmhand » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:32 am

DJRansome wrote:My hara were NOT happy with demasoni and I wonder if another blue barred and aggressive species like elongates might work out the same. FWIW.


How do your demasoni and mosbo get along?
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby DJRansome » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:11 am

Not bad although I'm still growing the msobo group. THAT is a combo that other demasoni owners have done successfully.

Of course, demasoni and hara are not similar in behavior at all.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby Fogelhund » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:44 am

I had Hara in a 4ft 90 gallon, doing very well. Very heavily rocked aquarium... babies survived in the tank, and grew up.

I put in some Mpanga elongatus... and that put an end to the Hara's breeding... they coexisted, but the Hara weren't quite at their best from then on.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby noki » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:03 pm

It all depends on what you want, a breeding species tank or just some variety without saving fry. Hobbyists only have so much room, and of course one would always want a bigger tank. It depends on which species you want to be dominant.

If you combine species you usually end up with one species that takes a more dominant role in the tank and can suppress the breeding and color of the other species. And results will vary, sometimes it will be live and let live, other times one male can be a tyrant. Yellow Labs are usually pretty much at the bottom end of the pecking order in these tanks, it is just that people do not care. You gotta take some chances, or take no chances, cichlids can be aggressive, otherwise you end up saying you can mix almost nothing and almost all Mbuna are too aggressive. Heck, you could argue keeping cichlids in limited numbers in aquriums is unnatural and cruel.

Demasoni are crazy, they are small but show full male dominance barred pattern at all times, the only fish in the lake like that. Like a nervous small dog barking ferociously. Hard to predict how other fish react to that
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby DJRansome » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:20 pm

Fogelhund wrote:I had Hara in a 4ft 90 gallon, doing very well. Very heavily rocked aquarium... babies survived in the tank, and grew up.

I put in some Mpanga elongatus... and that put an end to the Hara's breeding... they coexisted, but the Hara weren't quite at their best from then on.
This was my experience having hara with demasoni. But it was not just breeding...it was also coloration. The hara are much happier in a species tank and I had them with yellow labs for a while...they were happy with the labs as well.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby farmhand » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:52 pm

I keep coming back to what I want, and that is to watch their behavior in action. :popcorn: Of course a colorful tank is a major plus. :thumb:
Maybe switch the Hara, chewere and Lab to the 75 gal, 4' long tank and do something else in the 50 gal. 4' L tank.
Or not put the Hara and chewere together in the first place???
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby Fogelhund » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:01 pm

Go with callainos and chewere.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby ha77 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:13 pm

Not exactly the same but I kept Hara with Pseduo Elongatus Ruawre for awhile (in my pic). It became a little to aggressive for my liking and was preventing the Elongatus from coloring up most of the time.
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby DJRansome » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:29 pm

ha77, I'm terrible at visual ID but the hara in your pic has a lot of black on the dorsal and I don't usually find them as aggressive as you describe. Could it be a different species other than hara?
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Re: Chewere & Hara groups together?

Postby ha77 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:05 pm

DJRansome wrote:ha77, I'm terrible at visual ID but the hara in your pic has a lot of black on the dorsal and I don't usually find them as aggressive as you describe. Could it be a different species other than hara?

Possible hybrids i suppose. Will pm you better pics later.
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