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Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:38 pm

Here's what I do know:

This is my first cichlid tank.
I'm stocking a 125 gallon...likely in either 2 or 3 phases.
Sexed Young Adults between 2.5" - 3"
I've gone through a gazillion sites, books, etc. in an attempt to "pick what you like" at the suggestion of others. I selected species based primarily on their color, and I tried to remove those that get particularly large or overly aggressive (based on what the books say, at least). :D
My list includes ONLY species that are available at my LFS as of yesterday. I didn't want to chose something I couldn't acquire locally.
The list is in alpha order by species in the order they are on the website of my LFS; I didn't just make them up.
My list is huge, and I have far too many special that are similar in coloration to another.


Here's what I do not know:
How to select a total of 20-25 fish that don't have similar coloration. There just aren't 25 different colors, markings!
How to read my own handwriting. It's been a long time since I've written anything by hand, and my penmanship shows it! Misspellings will abound - not laughing, please. :oops: :)

I'm going to share my list; it may be the absolute most horrible stocking list ever seen. I'm okay with that assessment. Please just tell me I'm stupid or that all my fish are going to die or anything cataclysmic. It's just a fish tank; I'm not putting together a formula for world peace. So...without further ado, here goes:

Haps:
Albino Ahli
Black Fin Lethrinops
Blue Dolphin
Buccochromis Nototaenia
Hap Pheno
Imperial Tigress
Lethronops Intermedius
Fire Hap
Red Cap Lethrinops
Tostratus
Taiwan Reef
Turquoise Hap
Venustrus
Yellow Blaze Virginilis

Peacocks:
Firefish Dragon Blood - Albino
Apache
Sunshine
Bi Color 500
Eureka Red Jacke
Firefish
Lemon Jack
OB Peacock
Sulpherhead
Sunburst
Swallowtail

Okay...FIRE AWAY! I'm ready! :) :P
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Fogelhund » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:58 pm

The following fish are not likely to be aggressive enough to compete in this aquarium, leading to very little colour, and ultimately a possibility of wasting away.

Black Fin Lethrinops
Red Cap Lethrinops
Yellow Blaze virginalis
Sulpherhead.
Albino fryeri/ahli -> the albinos of these guys tend not to do as well.

The Buccochromis gets too big.

Keeping three types of Jakes together isn't a great idea typically, but it might work with trial and error.

There are two types of Protomelas taeniolatus - Fire Hap and Imperial Tiger... usually presents a challenge.. The turquoise Hap is pretty closely related as well.

I might recommend the blue fryeri instead of albino. A Copadichromis borelyi.

But even at the best of times, it is trial and error... either the venestus or rostratus are likely to be tank boss. In some cases they can be too aggressive as such, but in other cases not. Not that there is a better replacement, as there is going to be a boss, and sometimes they are trouble. Just something to keep an eye out for really.
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:02 pm

See! You made short work out of hacking my "oh that one's pretty" list down to something more reasonable! I'll take a look at your suggestions and update accordingly. Bummed about the Sulpherhead; I really like that one. It's the same/similar as the Apache, no?
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Fogelhund » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:08 pm

The problem with these common names, is that they aren't always used for the same fish.

To me, an Apache is a sulphurhead. But, at other places it looks like a red shoulder hybrid... I don't really know what it is in your case.

I try and use scientific names all the time, along with location, so that we ensure we are communicating about the same fish.

Sulphurheads are great fish.. .but there isn't much that you can keep them with.
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:23 pm

Ha! I say the same thing about the Apache, and I had a similiar issue just trying to define the lists. The LFS's website has them defined as :
Apache Peacock = Alonocara Hybrid
Sulfur Head Peacock = Alonocara Maylandi

Totally my fault for not being clear (and for being hesitant to attempt all those spellings) :) I will update shortly.
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Fogelhund » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:32 pm

If you google Apache... you get..

http://www.aquaticstoyourdoor.co.uk/ima ... Qp22kw.png -> Which is a Protomelas spilonotus Mara Rocks hybrid... I think... it would be fine...

You get this..

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/326933254171777706/ --> Which is probably a maylandi hybrid... don't think it'll work..

or

you get this...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BP05jhIKdPU/maxresdefault.jpg -> Which is... maybe a red shoulder hybrid, which should work...
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:52 pm

Fogelhund wrote:The problem with these common names, is that they aren't always used for the same fish.

To me, an Apache is a sulphurhead. But, at other places it looks like a red shoulder hybrid... I don't really know what it is in your case.

I try and use scientific names all the time, along with location, so that we ensure we are communicating about the same fish.

Sulphurheads are great fish.. .but there isn't much that you can keep them with.



Fogelhung,

Here's an update to the Haps list with all the names I could find for each. I removed several as mentioned to be too passive for the rest as well as 2-3 others that will get too large in comparison to the others.

Sciaenochromis Fryeri "Maleri Island" - Ahli Electric Blue
Sciaenochromis fryeri albino - Albino Ahli (White Knight)
Otopharynx Lithobates (zimbabwe rock) - Aristo Yellow Blaze
Cyrtocara Moorii - Blue Dolphin
Placidochromis sp. ''Phenochilus Tanzania'' - Hap. Pheno
Protomelas sp. "Steveni Imperial" - Imperial Tigress
Tramitichromis intermedius - Lethrinops Intermedius
Haplochromis/Protomelas - Ndiwe Fire Hap
Copadichromis Borleyi Kadango - Red Fin Borleyi Cichlid
Protomelas sp. Steveni Taiwan - Taiwan Reef Cichlid
Protomelas Marginatus - Turquoise Hap

Updating the Peacock lists now.
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:09 pm

Fogelhund wrote:If you google Apache... you get..

http://www.aquaticstoyourdoor.co.uk/ima ... Qp22kw.png -> Which is a Protomelas spilonotus Mara Rocks hybrid... I think... it would be fine...

You get this..
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/326933254171777706/ --> Which is probably a maylandi hybrid... don't think it'll work..
or
you get this...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BP05jhIKdPU/maxresdefault.jpg -> Which is... maybe a red shoulder hybrid, which should work...


You're absolutely right, and the "hybrid" designation is certainly not helpful. Here's a picture to what I'm attempting to refer. https://goo.gl/images/QTUiUt
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:11 pm

Updated draft:

Haps:
Sciaenochromis Fryeri "Maleri Island" - Ahli Electric Blue
Sciaenochromis fryeri albino - Albino Ahli (White Knight)
Otopharynx Lithobates (zimbabwe rock) - Aristo Yellow Blaze
Cyrtocara Moorii - Blue Dolphin
Placidochromis sp. ''Phenochilus Tanzania'' - Hap. Pheno
Protomelas sp. "Steveni Imperial" - Imperial Tigress
Tramitichromis intermedius - Lethrinops Intermedius
Haplochromis/Protomelas - Ndiwe Fire Hap
Copadichromis Borleyi Kadango - Red Fin Borleyi
Protomelas sp. Steveni Taiwan - Taiwan Reef
Protomelas Marginatus - Turquoise Hap

Peacocks:
A. sp. "Firefish Dragon Blood" - Albino Firefish
A. Baenschi - Benga Yellow Peacock
A. sp. ethelwynnae - Ethelwynnae Peacock
A. Hueseri - Midnight Peacock
A. sp. Sunburst
A. Jacobfreibergi Ottor Point Eureka Red Jake
A. sp. stuartgranti "Maleri" - Sunshine Peacock
A.sp. "Firefish Dragon Blood" - Firefish Peacock
A. jacobfreibergi Swallowtail - Swallowtail
A. Jacobfreibergi (Undu Reef)- Lemon Jake Peacock
A. Sp. OB Peacock "Hybrid" - OB Peacock
A. Hybrid - Apache Peacock
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby james1983 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:13 pm

The ethelwynnae and midnight are pretty wimpy. The Jakes probably won't work out, neither will the o.b. and sunburst/dragon blood types. Also my albino fryeri didn't mix very well, he got beat on by everyone.
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Re: Haps/Peacock Stocking Advice, please!

Postby Melbel » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:17 pm

So remove all 3 of the Jakes, or can 1 be left in?
If all go and the others you'd mentioned as well are scratched, I'm left with only 4 Peacocks total. Why don't people have just all Haps tanks? These Peacocks all seem to be wimps, huh?
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