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White film

Postby Mellywell » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:41 pm

Hey everyone
In the last week I've had a Nitrate spike I've been dealing with. I've had to take the wc down 60% to get nitrates below 20 and its only been three days and noticed the fish hiding so tested and its back up to abt 80ppm. I've also noticed over the past 24 hrs a white film has formed on the glass. It doesn't seem to be algae. No smell or taste to it (yes I tasted it...I'm panicking a bit) And it feels dry like power and wipes right off. Very strange and I've never seen anything like it. No new fish added, tank hasn't changed in 4 months.
Any thoughts?
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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby DJRansome » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:52 pm

Calcium deposits if it is at/above the water line. Eventually it will harden on, but no way to avoid it that I know of other than keeping the tank completely full at all times.

Keep changing the water to remove nitrates and keep them under 20ppm...even if you have to do it daily. Too many fish?
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:02 pm

Yes I have too many fish. And in the last month I've seen significant growth in some. I promise to deal with that. Thank you for quick reply. The white film tho is all over the top half of the tank. It especially loves the heater, as I still have a j├Ąger 200w inside the tank. I don't have any water lines as the tank is pretty full. But calcium does make sense. So it can form under water line, that quickly? Do you think it's because I am doing frequent water changes?
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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby DJRansome » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:16 pm

No it would form at or above the water line. Nothing to do with frequent water changes.

I had a beige growth on my glass once...turned out I had a nitrite spike. What are your readings for ammonia and nitrite?
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:39 pm

Nitrite 0
Ammonia 0
Nitrate after water change abt 35ish
Will do another wc tomorrow and will not feed tonight.
darn it. My tank hardly looks like it has fish in there. Other people's look sooooo jam packed. I thought I'd get away with 15 fish in a 120 gallon. Guess not.

You know I'm looking at my tank as I just finished the wc abt 14 min ago, and there is still a lot of tiny white particles floating around. Could be tiny bubbles, could be....whatever it is, I've never noticed them before this week. I think that's new. Wonder if there is something going on with city water. I'm gonna do a nitrate test out of the tap.
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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:50 pm

Nitrate out if the tap 0
I am no good at posting pictures and I am on my phone. But I have two pretty good pictures. One of the white film and the other of the bubbles (if that's what they are)
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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby GTZ » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:17 pm

Any fish missing? A dead fish can raise nitrates and kick start a heterotrophic bacteria bloom, which resembles whitish, hazy looking water.
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:34 am

Thanks, I just double checked. No dead fish. Did a bit of an experiment last night and moved my spray bars around. The white particles were for sure bubbles. The spray hits the front of the tank below the surface, travels down the glass, sweeps across the sand and brings the debris into the intake. So I'm comfortable with that. This white stuff tho, so strange.
I will do another wc when I get home today and clean up the glass where I missed it last night. I'll pay close attention to see if there is any that appears to have come back over night and let you know.

I am hoping like mad that for some reason this white film is the cause of my Nitrate spike and I don't have to rehome any of my fish. A girl can hope.

Thanks gentleman. Will update!

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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby DJRansome » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:18 pm

What about ammonia and nitrite?
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75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Cyp Kerenge, S Petricola
33G Neo omnicaeruleus; 33G Flameback Kisumu; 33G P nyererei Igombe; 33G Hap ruby green
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:25 am

Nitrite 0
Ammonia 0
Nitrate 10-20ppm
I'll see how long it takes before the nitrates spike again

The white stuff didn't reappear over night. But I'm still concerned abt it.

M
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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby cichlidaholic » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:08 am

Just a thought...What declorinator are you using?
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:56 am

Prime. And it is a new bottle.
Melissa
120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:01 am

Here's a quick video of my tank I did a few weeks back for my fish club. this is of course before the white stuff problem. Do you think it looks overstocked? Ignore my yapping. My fronts are rescued...and are non breedable as I believe they are mutts. My male has 7 stripes on one side and 6 on the other. So I don't want a species tank until these fish have passed away so I keep them with peacocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CexhPEjl ... e=youtu.be
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120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby Mellywell » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:15 am

Melissa
120 gallon 5': Frontosa's, Leleupi, Peacocks, Clown Loaches, King Tiger Pleco.
Deco: PFS. Canadian Sheild mixed with River Rock for caves
Fliter : 2 X Eheim 2217
Heater : in line 300w
Ph: 8.2. Temp: 79.
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Re: White film

Postby afracichlids » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:33 pm

Mellywell wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CexhPEjl7gw&feature=youtu.be

What do you feed your fish and how much I seen that white film before and it was from over feeding and overfeeding raises nitrates get a nitrate scavenger like purigen or chemipure elite will control problem nitrate for 6-8 months.
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