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tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:34 pm

hey everyone, I have a group of geo. Tapajos that I had been flip-flopping on what to do with and I finally decided that I'm going to center a Tapajos biotope around them in my 125g. so far I plan to have the geos (8 of them, 4 m 4 f) and a pair of w/c p. scarlare. substrate so far is just pool filter sand and I've got some big drift wood and a few big rocks I can jam in here and there.
so here is where I need some advice, I want this to be as true a biotope as possible and I know the Tapajos has many different zones and habitat types. I am thinking of adding some Tapajos crenicichla regani into the mix, would these 2 species actually ever be found in the same area? I was thinking of trying to replicate the spot in a river where the open area meets the shore area so there will be a few plants (prob vallisneria sp.), to me it seems plausible you could find both species there. my other question is specifically which species of characins would I find around geo Tapajos that would work assuming I have the cren. regain in the tank as well. a lot of the descriptions of the Tapajos just mention "various characins" or something like that, i was thining ornate tetra if i can find some but I'm open to ideas
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby Iggy Newcastle » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:40 am

Cool idea.

According to cichlidae.com, these are the cichlid species that occur naturally with sp. RHT....

Crenicichla acutirostris
Crenicichla regani
Crenicichla sp. 'tapajos shoulder spot'
Dicrossus maculatus
Dicrossus warzeli
Laetacara araguaiae
Teleocichla sp. 'tapajos I'
Teleocichla sp. 'tapajos II'

Unfortunately, the site offers nothing on it's natural history or habitat. It does state that it occurs only at Rio Tapajos.

I'd imagine a true biotope would be a stained/black water setup with wood, rock and few/scattered plants. When I looked into this, I found out Tapajos is actually a clearwater river. When I searched 'fishes of Rio Tapajos' several sites come up, including some MFK posts related to your question. One response suggested other cichlids(other than those listed above) occur naturally with RHT but no reference on this info.

Wish I could be of more help... maybe do a little more digging on Google, specifically on the Tapajos river.
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:52 pm

Iggy Newcastle wrote:Cool idea.

According to cichlidae.com, these are the cichlid species that occur naturally with sp. RHT....

Crenicichla acutirostris
Crenicichla regani
Crenicichla sp. 'tapajos shoulder spot'
Dicrossus maculatus
Dicrossus warzeli
Laetacara araguaiae
Teleocichla sp. 'tapajos I'
Teleocichla sp. 'tapajos II'

Unfortunately, the site offers nothing on it's natural history or habitat. It does state that it occurs only at Rio Tapajos.

I'd imagine a true biotope would be a stained/black water setup with wood, rock and few/scattered plants. When I looked into this, I found out Tapajos is actually a clearwater river. When I searched 'fishes of Rio Tapajos' several sites come up, including some MFK posts related to your question. One response suggested other cichlids(other than those listed above) occur naturally with RHT but no reference on this info.

Wish I could be of more help... maybe do a little more digging on Google, specifically on the Tapajos river.


thanks for the input iggy, i actually went ahead and grabbed a group of crenicichla regani "Tapajos" so I'm going to include at least a pair (hopefully) in this tank. its great that you saw on cichlidae that they belong. i was just assuming that they would belong because the are supposed to prey on dicrossus and apisto fry, and i saw dicrossus on the list of neighbors on the seriously fish site so i was assuming c.regani would live around geo Tapajos. my plan right now is to float some Hydrocotyle leucocephala to diffuse some of the light over the tank and plan some vallisneria on the right side to create a sort of marginal zone near the shore where i imagine both species might be found. so far its turning out pretty good. in the end the stock with be 2 wc p. scarlare, 8 geo. Tapajos, 2-4 c. regain "rio Tapajos" and some characins. I'm thinking smaller might be better but i don't want to go too small, i know lemons are found in the Tapajos although i think its an orange variant and I've seen biotopes with black neons. so i don't know which i will end up going with. in one video of the tapajos i saw a small characin that was silver with a bright blue/green stripe going along the side almost like a blue tetra but longer. would love to have a school of those in the tank, they look very sharp.
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:59 pm

Here are the c. Regani that I picked upImage so far so good. Hopefully I don't lose any to aggression before I get them out of quarantine
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby Iggy Newcastle » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:59 pm

Nice. Please update as you go along. And good luck hunting down the tetra of your choice...
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby mrrobxc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:24 pm

I would be careful about adding black neons as the regain will get close to six inches when grown. The pair I had for a long time could easily eat black neons. Look for something deeper bodies like the hyphessobrycon or moenkhausia species.

Good luck!
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:34 pm

mrrobxc wrote:I would be careful about adding black neons as the regain will get close to six inches when grown. The pair I had for a long time could easily eat black neons. Look for something deeper bodies like the hyphessobrycon or moenkhausia species.

Good luck!

thanks man, I was thinking that about the black neons. I have heard such conflicting reports on what the regani will eat and what they wont. I know my sax pike tried to eat a full size male diamond tetra at 4" and that's my only first hand point of reference so I was thinking they might be too small. I think I'm probably going to land on lemons, I wanted to do something different but they seem to work well in this set up plus they look great. I remember seeing an orange variant of wild lemon tetras coming in to my lfs a year or so ago. that would be nice to catch some of them this time for this tank.
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:04 pm

so a small update on this tank, I had to medicate a couple fish from this tank for suspected columnaris and have moved the Oscar out (the geos look like they have never been more relaxed) and I am finally moving on to creating the actual biotope.
I moved in some stalks of Hydrocotyle leucocephala. I have a couple power heads that I was using to keep junk from settling on the bottom that were blowing the hydrocotyle around pretty violently so I turned off one and I'm going to re position the other but so far so good. I have just a double t8 (I think, maybe t5) shop light up top, I hope that is enough light for these plants.
on Saturday I also pulled my smallest C. regain out of my 50g and dropped her in to see what will happen, I was a little worried that she would be eaten, and she is doing great cruising around like she owns the place, even the biggest male geo doesn't even pay her any mind. so that has me very stoked. it kind inspired me to think about some smaller tank mates as well. I suppose it will depend on how crowded it gets once I have moved all 5 c. regani in, but I was thinking about possibly adding a harem of apistogramma agassizii or even a couple dicrossus maculatus into the mix, prob the a. agassizii though. so from there I started thinking on leaf litter in the aquarium and it seems to me to be the best idea if I want a true representation of a natural setting. so that's got me pretty excited, I've never used leaf litter before so this will be a bit of a learning experience. I'm a little worried about having junk on the bottom building up and screwing will the water cleanliness. I'm also expecting to occasionally have a leaf blocking my filter intake. so if anyone has any tips for a tank with leaf litter in it let me know.
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Thu May 19, 2016 7:48 pm

Video update for this project. https://youtu.be/TJ4L4D7HtOY
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby illy-d » Sat May 21, 2016 12:07 am

You probably won't have problems with Geos eating tetras, but your pikes will. Tanks looking good!
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:26 pm

Another short update and video. I added the l264s into this tank and reintroduced a male geo tapajos that I had in a hospital tank for a while. There is also a Heros curare in this tank right now but it's only for a while to grow out a bit. It was picking on a smaller one that it was housed with before so I put it where it definitely won't be picking on anyone for a while still. Anyway here's my l264 loving life
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Here's a quick full tank video
https://youtu.be/pvL0UwlZUbQ
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:59 pm

It's been a while since I updated on this project. A lot has happened. I had an incident a month or two ago which I believe was caused by a broken air pump compounded by me pointing the wave maker away from the surface. Everything was fine when I fed them at night, when I woke up it was the fish-pocalypse. I lost 6 red head tapajos and 2 l264. I couldn't find any reason the would have died so suddenly other than oxygen starvation. I replaced and upgraded the air pump. They stayed in that tank until last week end when I moved my remaining 2 geos, 2 l64s and 5 crenicichla regani to a 60g. The dimensions of the new rank us 15*15*50(I think off hand) so I was a little worried about the Geo's having enough space, but so far so good
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:14 pm

The two Geo's recovered pretty well and have spawned twice since the incident. Despite losing a bunch of fish I've had for years I'm pretty happy with how this tank is right now. Here's a couple pics of the stock and the new tank.
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This is the 125 before I moved them, there are fish in there somewhere I promise. Image
And here is their new digs
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby jamntoast3 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:35 pm

so there are some corydoras on a fish list of a lfs that i go to quite a bit that might fit the bill, not a tapajos species but they look very similar. the species on the list is c. melanistius that looks super similar to c142 . what does everyone think, should i add these? i'll add links below.

c. melanistius
http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/spe ... ies_id=311

c142
http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/spe ... es_id=1019
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Re: tapajos biotope planning

Postby Iggy Newcastle » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:09 pm

I can't help you with your Cory decision, but sorry to hear about your recent losses. New tank looks great.
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