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Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set up?

Postby Astrix » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:44 am

So I'm being adventurous and going a little outside my comfort zone and taking in a 60G african cichlid tank tomorrow. I am taking a truck and driving 2.5h away to pick up the tank and fish and then we are going to have the fun journey of driving it back to my house. After unloading it and resetting it up, the fish will have been in their bags for about 4h total minimum so long as ... someone can help answer me this..

If I put all the original tank substrate/ decorations plus at least 30% of the original tank water (taken from the top layer of gravel as to obtain as much yummy bacteria possible) and use the same filter and media as was originally running, will i be able to use some safestart or cycle and add the fish back into it once at temp?

Please know that I do understand I that I run the risk of killing these fish by not having a properly cycled tank for them to go to while I play with the new tanks water parameters and ensure a good cycle has been done. However in my defense, i have used this trick in my own freshwater community aquariums and have never had an issue with water parameters. (I treated with nutrafin cycle for the first 3 days to help boost the bacteria count.

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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby james1983 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:55 am

As long as the filter media stays wet you should be ok setting it back up. Awhile ago I put all of my fish in plastic totes and removed all of the water and sand to go from black sand to white. It took a few hours but all fish were completely fine with 100% new water.
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby tanker3 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:39 pm

1) There is no bacteria (or very little) in the water, the bacteria has to attach to something.
2) The is only a little bacteria in the gravel, and rocks (some, but not much). Bacteria needs water flow to thrive.
3) So, most of your good bacteria is in the filter media.
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby Astrix » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:41 pm

Thank you guys for your help! So if i keep the filter media in a small tote with some of the original tank water that would be sufficient"? And i can use the sand i have already purchased right off the start? Do i need to bring any tank water with me to help fill?
60G albino oscar, severum, synspilum, firemouths, salvini, convicts
60G lyretail mollies, mickey platys, SA bumblebee pims, sailfin pleco
45G rope fish, pictus cats, snowball pleco, german rams, bolivian rams
33G axolotl, female crowntail betta and more
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby snorkel3 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:16 pm

Keep the filter media wet with old tank water, enough to keep it submerged. If you are getting a canister filter in the deal, I would also remove that filter media and keep it wet.

You should not need to transfer any old tank water to your home. However, if the previous owner has neglected upkeep of that tank and the nitrate level is extremely high, I might consider transferring 30% of the old water. The only way to know is to test the old tank prior to tearing it down.

You can use the new sand you have purchased but definitely pre-rinse it before putting it in new tank. You may want to consider doing this prior to the tank move to save time.

Are you planning on putting the fish in the tank as soon as you have it installed and filled at your home?

Do you know how many, what size and which fish you are getting?
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby DJRansome » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:17 pm

You don't need ANY old water to refill. But your NEW water does have to match old parameters. That will be necessary anyway for ongoing water changes. Did you test both your tap water and the old water? To see if they match?

Not using the old substrate can be a risk but I would expect the filter media to be sufficient to avoid a cycle completely without even using a bottled product. Same as tanker and james said.
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby james1983 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:19 pm

Keep the media in old tank water maybe add an air stone and it'll be fine. You can use the old or new sand, I removed all of mine and replaced it with brand new sand with no problem.
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby tanker3 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:27 pm

All answer above==Good advice.
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby Astrix » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:38 pm

Deeda wrote:
Are you planning on putting the fish in the tank as soon as you have it installed and filled at your home?

Do you know how many, what size and which fish you are getting?


At this point I have no choice but to put them straight into the tank after it is filled as I have only community tanks right now. I suppose they could swim ariund with my crayfish :-? but honestly I dont trust him not to pinch them.
I would also need to increase my PH in that tank to make it comfortable for them

And I am taking in a ropefish (yes the hood is tight fitting) and 2 cichlids that are unidentified at this time. I am going to take pictures and post it in the Unidentied Cichlids thread thingy. :lol:

Also I'm unsure if the tank comes with a canister filter. I do know I will be receiving the Fluval Aquaclear 110 HOB with the tank, should I consider purchasing a canister as well for this tank? I run a fluval 205 on my 33G and absolutely love it. I was considering the Fluval 406 for the cichlid tank.

I love live plants and have heard there are only a few that do well d/t the high alkalinity needed for cichlids. Have you done live plants?

Sorry I ask lots of questions

Rae
60G albino oscar, severum, synspilum, firemouths, salvini, convicts
60G lyretail mollies, mickey platys, SA bumblebee pims, sailfin pleco
45G rope fish, pictus cats, snowball pleco, german rams, bolivian rams
33G axolotl, female crowntail betta and more
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby Astrix » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:39 pm

Thank you to everyone who has replied to this post.
I have got some invaluable tips for each of you!
Thanks again!
60G albino oscar, severum, synspilum, firemouths, salvini, convicts
60G lyretail mollies, mickey platys, SA bumblebee pims, sailfin pleco
45G rope fish, pictus cats, snowball pleco, german rams, bolivian rams
33G axolotl, female crowntail betta and more
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby tanker3 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:44 pm

Astrix wrote:I love live plants and have heard there are only a few that do well d/t the high alkalinity needed for cichlids. Have you done live plants?
Rae


I have not had any success with Plants and African cichlids. They either pick them to shreds, or eat them (this is with Mbunas).
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby snorkel3 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:00 pm

Astrix wrote:
Deeda wrote:
Are you planning on putting the fish in the tank as soon as you have it installed and filled at your home?

Do you know how many, what size and which fish you are getting?


At this point I have no choice but to put them straight into the tank after it is filled as I have only community tanks right now. I suppose they could swim ariund with my crayfish :-? but honestly I dont trust him not to pinch them.

I would also need to increase my PH in that tank to make it comfortable for them What is the Ph of your tap water now? What about in the community tanks?

And I am taking in a ropefish (yes the hood is tight fitting) and 2 cichlids that are unidentified at this time. I am going to take pictures and post it in the Unidentied Cichlids thread thingy. :lol:

Also I'm unsure if the tank comes with a canister filter. I do know I will be receiving the Fluval Aquaclear 110 HOB with the tank, should I consider purchasing a canister as well for this tank? I run a fluval 205 on my 33G and absolutely love it. I was considering the Fluval 406 for the cichlid tank. You should be fine with the AC110 filter but can add the Fluval 406 if you want. I'm a fan of 2 filters on a tank this size.

I love live plants and have heard there are only a few that do well d/t the high alkalinity needed for cichlids. Have you done live plants? Mostly Anubias sp. 'nana' and some other hardy plants but I don't keep plants in Malawi Mbuna tanks.

Sorry I ask lots of questions I would rather you ask a lot of questions than none at all!

Rae
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby RayMontana » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:58 pm

tanker3 wrote:
Astrix wrote:I love live plants and have heard there are only a few that do well d/t the high alkalinity needed for cichlids. Have you done live plants?
Rae


I have not had any success with Plants and African cichlids. They either pick them to shreds, or eat them (this is with Mbunas).


I have a 55 gal tank with Mbuna and it is fully planted. they nibble a bit but have not torn up anything . the tinfoil barbs eat more than they do. I have a ph of 8.2, some plants are doing better than others but none have died. Its worth a try, I think the fish benefit from the extra food... maybe I am wrong.
If they eat them, well thats why they are there. I can always get more if that happens.
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby Astrix » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:23 pm

So what an adventure!!!!!!!!

The cichlids I received are in decent condition, two males (pretty sure) same species (100% positive) have no clue as to what species. They are approximately 3" in size. They were being house in an unheated tank... :( The owners used just tap water when doing water changes (absolutely no conditioners) and were feeding the rope fish bloodworms daily... I was told the ropefish is between 10-12 years old but it is approximately 7" only... so tiny for its age... Horrified :o and they lived through it for over a year :dancing: I will post pics of the cichlids soon. I have a 50G tank being used as a herb garden that I am going to clean out and fire up in a few months and then move the rope fish into its own tank with a few wiggly friends. He requires lower PH and his feeding requirements aren't good for the cichlids.

I was able to move and re-set up the tank last night! Talk about exhausting. I was able to keep the filter media submerged in original tank water for the transport. So as soon as I got the tank filled I fired it back up. I layered a little over half the original substrate across half the tank bottom and used the sand on the other half. Currently my tanK PH is 8.2 GH 12 KH 10 Nitrate less than 10ppm... Temperature is 80F. I gave an inital dosing of Nutrafin cycle last night and an additional dose an hour ago, I also added some Melafix to the water. Everything survived the night! :fish: :thumb:

Dee,
My tap Water parameters were safe, PH was 7.9 GH and KH were slightly lowered but I buffered with some Cichlid condither and KH booster. I also added a bag of Seachem aragonite sand to help with stabilization until my amazon order arrives.

I plan on using anubias coffeefolia, anubias nana, anubias barteri, vallisneria corkscrew and java fern. I would like to do haps and peacocks in my tank. I'm hoping the cichlids I already have are either/or.

Once I have the tank decorated I will post pics.

Thank you all for the help!

Rae
60G albino oscar, severum, synspilum, firemouths, salvini, convicts
60G lyretail mollies, mickey platys, SA bumblebee pims, sailfin pleco
45G rope fish, pictus cats, snowball pleco, german rams, bolivian rams
33G axolotl, female crowntail betta and more
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Re: Receiving a 60G tank, how best to transport and re set u

Postby wryan » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:48 pm

tanker3 wrote:I have not had any success with Plants and African cichlids. They either pick them to shreds, or eat them (this is with Mbunas).

That looks to be how it's going here ... java fern and anubias ...

The green roots of the anubias are getting seriously trimmed by the constant picking.
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