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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby Fishy_Cichlid » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:15 am

R.I.P.
The Greeks didn't write obituaries, they only asked one question after a man died : Did he have passion ?

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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:45 am

So u r sure all of my fish gonna die? Nothing can be done to prevent death?
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby Fishy_Cichlid » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:26 am

Have been in this fish circuit a long time and the hair has turned grey. A small advice to you. In CF, we believe that it pays to be honest. It also pays not being rude to fellow members.

Once again, I would really like to read the thread where you have been advised.
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:33 am

I am saying once again, I did not get advise in this forum or any other forum. I have some of my friends in locality who are keeping fish for 10-12 years. They said that fishless cycling must for delicate species like discus fish. But cichlids are quite hardy and you do not need fishless cycling if biological load is less for initial couple of months. Just do partial water changes 2-3 times a week to keep the toxic levels in control.

:(
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:34 am

Also I have not been rude to anyone. U r misunderstatnding I suppose.

:(
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby Fishy_Cichlid » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:14 am

I was a little taken aback when you vehemently protested and going through your previous posts in CF !!!

There are people with actually very little knowledge and who misguide newcomers with big fat complicated words & guidance. These ignorant people are usually on the boundaries of reputed forums like CF, peeping into posts by experienced members ...... and some are actually even members here in this forum, though you will hardly find them interacting since that would expose their true knowledge. They pick up little ideas here & there (without any holistic idea of the entire fish-keeping process) and post it as experts in their forums. This is how they gain attention to become enlightened heroes in their forum. But, ultimately, it is the newcomer who bears the brunt of all this, since he is misled and his fish die. The newcomers realize it, albeit a little late, too late.

I have some of my friends in locality who are keeping fish for 10-12 years. They said that fishless cycling must for delicate species like discus fish. But cichlids are quite hardy and you do not need fishless cycling if biological load is less for initial couple of months. Just do partial water changes 2-3 times a week to keep the toxic levels in control.


Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that you have not posted it in any forum and you have not received any advice from any forum, like you keep protesting (but with little conviction) ?? You know better why I am asking you this again ? Time to confess. I would have helped you out but I was quite shocked at the not so honest reply.
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:46 am

I am totally honest in replying. I did not get any advice of cycling with fish from cichlid forum. Please trust me. I swear. But I also admit the fact that I have seen posts here of fishkeepers who said that they have not done fishless cycling in their entire life, they always do cycling with fish but with less biological load. Everything that I have posted earlier have come from not any forum. I did not protest, I would not have seeked for advise without an open mind. I just wanted to know that some people also do cycling with fish. Then why do they do it when they know their fish will die soon?

:(

Regarding my aquarium advice, I got addicted to cichlids from some of my friends who keep cichlids for long, they have even done breeding. I asked from them nd they said fishless cycling not needed for malawi species as they are quite hardy. Now what should have I done?
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby Fishy_Cichlid » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:11 am

I think I have asked you the question several times and gave you enough opportunity, gotta count the numbers. Whatever you might think me to be, the last thing I would want, is to turn up a fool. I found the post, 13 pages (as of now) of utter rubbish. I just asked to see that post, nothing more. But you took me for a ride.

Man, its your fish. If you wanna cheat yourself, no one can help you. As for me, count me out. You are just plain lucky I am not revealing the site & the post here. I dont need to answer this thread.
Adios.
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby NickLing » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:15 am

I have not seen this thread fishy is talking about, but when you say they never did A FISHLESS cycle...that means they didn't stock the tank as heavy maybe used crappy little cycler fish. Not full blown stocking a tank that has not been cycled. What is the point of running filter with nothing in it. Might as well of done fishless cycle. The jist of it is add some pure ammo start the cycle etc...There are zillions of articles on doing it. You are just trying to make yourself feel better. You didn't do anything wrong because someone else did what you did. But in fact they did not. (with good results at least) =D> You will have fish loss or they will damaged and have a shortened life at minimum.
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:16 am

I just want to tell that I want to take care of my pets. If I was completely satisfied with cycling with fish, I would not have posted this thread here.

You found a 13 page thread of utter rubbish, ok, but how many posts are there regarding advise for cycling of a tank? I found only 1 post of myself after going through the whole thread again which I have already forgotten as it was on 9th May more than a month back. In between, I have met with my friends numerous times more and each time they have said the same thing about tank cycling. As I did not remember that I posted something regarding cycling in that forum thread, I replied to you a no no.

You can reveal the site name here, the site is not mine, I am not an owner of the site, also, I have not done any theft or robbery or something like that. I have also not lied about anything that you are getting so angry or you are thinking I am taking you for a ride. Even I was also not satisfied about cycling with fish in tank that is why I put a thread here.

If you think that I am here to prove someone wrong, then I apologize, my posts might have been misunderstood. What I seek for is help and advise, nothing more.

As this is a forum and everyone replies to his/her own wish, it is your wish what you want to think about myself. I apologize once more to hurt your feelings but I say again, I am here just to get advise about welfare of my fish.

I think I should return the fish to the fish store. I do not want them to die.

Thanks for ur kind words.

:)
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:19 am

Yes NickLing, I know what I have done is not the proper way, but you tell me, if your friend who is an experienced fishkeeper advises you something, you will follow or not? Take this fact in mind that I am total newbie in this line.

:(
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby bullzi » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:20 am

And yes indeed they did not use full biological load during cycling with fish.
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby pinaki1816 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:41 pm

Bullzi till now did u have any fish loss ????............


Correct me if my understanding is wrong........ u r doing Water Change (50%) once in 2-3 days right ???? now my question is if some1 is doing regular water change then isn't it expected that NH3, NO2 level in that tank will be under alarming level ???? isn't it the same thing many Discus keepers do.... they keep fishes in bare bottom tank n do regular water change to keep them healthy .... fish less cycling is the most appropriate and ethical way to keep fishes..n it is the safest as well.But, whatever we do...our ultimate goal is to keep NH3, NO2 & NO3 level in tank below alarming level........it can be achieved by regular water change as well.......we should have a second view other than stating all ur fishes will die if ur tank is not cycled......again i do agree fish less cycle is the best n effective way to keep fishes...but NH3, NO2, NO3 level can also be controlled by regular water change........
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby pinaki1816 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:43 pm

In India there is a guy who keeps drift wood in Cichlid tank n claims that as a biotope.....even he decorates his Gibberosa tank with bricks n claims he is a specialist ....srry for the off topic ........but its an example ;-) u can consider it as diversity ........
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Re: Are these test readings ok?

Postby wallyb0rd000 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:45 pm

they are saying that it is cruel to the fish. I have done it, only lost a coulple but i wish I had done it fishless. since you already have them it is probably better to just continue but others may dissagree.(bringing the fish back would stress them out as well. there is no reason to have both ammonia and nitrAte. readings may just be a little off. test the water you are using (probably your tap)..it may have nitrAte in there already which is why you are getting the reading. you will see a big spike in ammonia before anything else happens since you didnt seed it or use any bottle bacteria. keep an eye on the levels. i agree with doing small water changes (25%) because it will keep the fish healthier but it will prolong your cycle time.
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