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Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:57 pm

So in my 125 Front Tank, I also have 4 White Calvus (all males) as well as 3 Yellow Head Comps
Well the last little while I have noticed that the smallest Comp has been hiding in a cave and not coming out to eat
I also noticed that the other Comps, Calvus, and even some Fronts are all hanging around the front of the cave
So today I took a flashlight and peeked in and to my surprise I see eggs in there with little tails wiggling around.

so definitely this Comp has spawned with someone. Now obviously its either a Comp or a Calvus that it spawned with

the question is now what do I do??

If I leave them in there they will surely get eaten when they hatch

Can I take the cave and the mother and babies out to another tank??
Will she stay in the cave as I pull it out??

I really want to see these babies

Open to any suggestions
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby DJRansome » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:13 pm

What will you do with 100 babies (I got 180) that might not be pure? They are a lot of work to raise, but if you want to raise them read the article in the Cichlid-forum Library on raising Altolamp babies by Razzo.
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:00 pm

I would definitely give it a go at trying to raise them
Of course I would not know if they would be pure or not until they grew a bit, but then even it may be difficult to tell

My main question now is can I remove the cave and all the babies to another tank. If yes, I have a 22 gallon tank with 2 upside cats in it that keep it cycled and I would gladly move them and put these in there.
It's a challenge I would like to take on

Will the mother stay in the cave as I remove it, or will she bolt??
If she bolts, they babies are surely doomed

I await anyone to respond as I am ready to move the cats out
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
46 Gallon Community Fish
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby DJRansome » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:50 pm

Check the article...you might want to wait until the babies are a little older than an egg with tail. As long as they are not leaving the cave.

Ideally when you go after the cave (I use shells, easy to remove in one piece) the mom will duck inside and you can lift the whole thing to the new tank.

I would keep the babies in your house for their lifetimes.
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:12 pm

The cave she is in is a one piece small cave
I was able to lift it out with the female and eggs all in the cave
Placed in the 22 Gallon tank that had the 2 catfish (which I removed to another tank)
So now the mother is alone in the tank and we will see what develops from here

Never saw this coming but am glad as I am looking forward to the challenges of these fry
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
46 Gallon Community Fish
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby DJRansome » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:33 pm

I had to buy 2 55G to raise them and the daily nursing took over a year. Never again, LOL. Got your brine shrimp hatchery set up?
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75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Petricola
55G Chrysonotus; 38G Demasoni
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:27 pm

Nothing yet for the brine shrimp
Need to look into this

did not think it might be this difficult
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
46 Gallon Community Fish
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby noddy » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:00 am

I just raised over 100 gold head fry for over a year. I ended up with 10 in a 40g long and then I did a w/c and forgot to add Prime.
I ended up with two in my 210g and now I have one juvie left. Of course it just had to be the one with the dislocated jaw that survived.
Never again. ;)
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:51 pm

You guys are scaring me with all this heartache and pain
I will see how it goes with this and see if its worth all the trouble

I am up for a challenge, as long as I dont have to change my whole lifestyle...
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
46 Gallon Community Fish
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:43 pm

Once the fry start swimming around, do I keep the mother in the tank, or do I remove her?
How long will she stay with the babys without eating them
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
46 Gallon Community Fish
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby noddy » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:45 pm

Once the fry start to swim out of the shell, remove the female from the tank.
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby Fogelhund » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:04 pm

The problem with Altolamprologus calvus/comp fry is they are lazy, and intolerant to poor water, and chlorine. When they are very small, I'd recommend keeping them in shallow tupperware containers, with a bubble stone. Change half of the water daily, using the water from the parents tank... or at least an established tank. Baby Brine shrimp helps, but I've raised them on very crushed powder flake as well. Even as they get larger, if you put them in an aquarium that is larger... and I'm talking 20 gallon, they won't go after the food that well. Once you get them to close to an inch, typically they are fine... but still intolerant of fresh water changes, when it contains chloramine, or chlorine.
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby DJRansome » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:51 pm

I saw somewhere a fishkeeper recommended mixing the calvus fry with bristlenose fry...just to keep the calvus fry moving. Any thoughts? I did have both at the time, but I was afraid to try it.
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75G Demasoni, Maingano, Msobo, Lucipinnis
75G Calvus, Caudopunctatus, Petricola
55G Chrysonotus; 38G Demasoni
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby plug » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:13 pm

well, right now they are in a 22 gallon tank
when they start swimming I will take the mother out

I guess I should have put the female and the cave with eggs in a 10 gallon tank

would it be still possible to do that, as I have a 10 gallon tank that I currently have some other fry in and I could easily switch them around...
125 Gallon Tank Malawi Hap and Peacock Tank
125 Gallon Tang Tank with Fronts,Calvus, and Comps
22 Gallon L Multi Tank with an abundance of Multis
30 Gallon Long Holding Tank for odds and ends
45 Gallon Grow Out Tank
46 Gallon Community Fish
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Re: Comp Fry Not sure what to do

Postby Fogelhund » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:38 pm

A 10 gallon is still really too big for fresh fry... at least in my experience, and from what I've seen some very good breeders do. Shake the shell out in a tupperware container... something about 8x4"... about two inches of water.
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