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Torn - help decide please

Postby Cajen » Fri May 25, 2012 1:14 am

Altolamprologus Black Calvus Inkfin and Multies in a 29g or ALTOLAMPROLOGUS COMPRESSICEPS RED LUFUBU and Multies. Is there much of a difference between the two? I know that either Altolamp Black Calvus and Altolamp Compressiceps are very similar, will either work with Multies in a 29g?
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Cajen » Fri May 25, 2012 1:27 pm

No opinions? Or no experience with the Altolamp Compreessicep Red Lufubu? Should I simply think of them as just another Compressicep?
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Pizzle » Fri May 25, 2012 6:49 pm

Both are such great fish, I would not want to cram them into a 29 gallon with multies. But then again I have only had the multies and never had comps or calvus so maybe I stepped off the base. A recommendation that I have seen several times for a 29 gallon is multies with a pair of one of the smaller Julidochromis species.
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Cajen » Fri May 25, 2012 7:32 pm

It is actuallly in cookie cutter set-up in the library. I am so stoked... First Tang tank... I also have a 55g with Mbuna. Can't wait... I am very happy with EITHER of the two Altolamps, but really, really looking forward to the Multies.
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Pizzle » Fri May 25, 2012 8:31 pm

I really enjoy my multies. The cookie cutter actually suggests that you may have three pairs of species in a 29 gallon. I personally think that would be very difficult to do. I think it is possible to do the multies with either a single calvus or a calvus pair. The biggest problem will be getting a pair of calvus. You may need to start with 5 or 6 calvus in a bigger tank to establish a pair and then move them into the 29 gallon. Hopefully someone with experience can join in on this discussion because I am just regurgitating information that I have read.
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby beachtan » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:18 pm

So did you decide which to get? : )
125g malawi,55g Tang, 40g B.N.,40long mbuna,30g blue dolphins,30g blue neon hai reef p/c,20g long multi's,20long Neol.Pulcher,20long Helianthus,20g L201/peacock gudgeons,20long calvus/cyp growout,10gal calvus growout,10g meleagris stappersii...
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Cajen » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:05 pm

Yes, unless someone makes an impassioned plea otherwise, and tells me specifically why I shouldn't try it (ala being cruel to the fish, it will NEVER work and they will all kill off each other...) I think I will go with 3 1.5" A. Black Calvus Inkfins and pray that I get lucky and get a pair a year or two down the road out of the 3.
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Ptyochromis » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:33 am

29 is too small for calvs/comps, I wouldn't go any smaller than a 55. They also get big enough to eat the multies, and may very well eat them, and will certainly eat the fry.


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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby littleolme » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:53 am

Ptyochromis wrote:29 is too small for calvs/comps, I wouldn't go any smaller than a 55.


This really seems to be a topic open for serious debate. Many will argue that a calvus or know pairs of calvus would do fine in a 29g, while other have made your argument that you need a 4' tank. I know you need more space while calvus going through the pairing process but why would you require a large tank for a single or mated pair (assuming they are at peace)?
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Fogelhund » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:11 pm

I've got a very good friend who has been a breeder of Africans since the 1970's. His paired up Comps and Calvus were all bred in regular 10 gallon aquariums, and he produced quite a large number of fry very successfully with such a setup. Now, I don't think a 10 gallon is an ideal situation, but the fish were always healthy, attacked you when you came near the tank in defence of their fry, and quite long-lived.

I have a great deal of experience with calvus personally, though I've probably kept and bred four or five types of comps. Comps can be a bit more aggressive towards food, and I've never kept them with shell dwellers. That isn't because I didn't trust them, it just never happened. On the other hand, I've kept 6" Wild Caught calvus with a number of types of shelldwellers, including multifasciatus. While it is possible that they ate some of the fry, the populations never seemed to suffer, and I know they never ate the adults. Altos evolved to prey on fry in the cracks and crevices of rocks. They were not built to catch fish in the open water, or adults shellies. Over the years, I've probably had four pairs/groups of calvus with shellies, for the life of the calvus... which has been anywhere from five to nine years for the wild adults I received.
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Re: Torn - help decide please

Postby Cajen » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:59 pm

So the solution is that some one should simply sell me a known pair :D

In all seriousness, there is a LOT of disagreement on whether the Calvus is do-able in a 29g. Most people do agree that a known pair will absolutely work. Only a few think one can get a pair to bond in a 29g.
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